I have crohn's disease amongst other health problems, so i am at high risk, my GP has also recommended that i have the vaccine...
I was just wondering if anyone else will be having it?

My friend who lives five minutes away has just come down with it and is quite poorly,  she works in a local school.

I think it will be personal decision, my doctor only said yesterday that the vaccine hasn't finished trialling, so they still have reports of side effects coming in, yet the vaccine is being made available end of Oct (course of two jabs, three weeks apart).  My daugher has got asthma, which is why I asked about it, but doc basically said that as the virus isn't mutating, and most cases are mild, he implied it would be better to do without the vaccine.  So not sure what to do!

I'm wary of vaccines - like our dogs I'm sure we can over vaccinate.

I have CF and am waiting for it to become available.

> So not sure what to do!

I know what you mean! it's a difficult one :) I think i will have the vaccine, but will have another chat with my GP first i think.

Isn't it very similar to the flu vaccine made pretty much the same way, i think i would have it also i would have my kids vaccinated also.

My daughter has Cystic Fibrosis and i think she'll be having it too as classed as high risk

Insulin dependant diabetic here, and I for one won't be having it, I also don't have the flu vaccination every year, I used to but it made me soo ill I gave up, haven't had a cold or flu for 3 years now......(touch wood)  don't intend on having the Swine Flu jab until it's been tried and tested.  Our daughter had Swine Flu, was given the Tamiflu, she had awful nightmares and now this is one of the side effects of the medication....I think it was rushed out too soon.

I may be entitled to it as I work in a school, but my kids (13 and 15) and OH won't be entitled, as they don't have health problems.  I wish the vaccine was available to the whole population, especially as the virus appears to be worse in normally healthy people, as we have seen in US and Mexico. 

>  I wish the vaccine was available to the whole population,

If this comes back as bad as previous pandemics - they will vaccinate the whole consenting population .

i have an at risk daughter but would like to know the side effects first before making my decision.

Always have the normal flu jab and it's been great for me as I'd get the flu 2 or 3 times every season, ending up bedridden for 2 weeks each time. At the moment am in bed with the swine flu and it's just as bad, so glad I feel strong enough to use laptop today as it's awful when you're too weak to even watch TV or read and too ill to sleep. If I get offered the jab I will have it as I always seem to catch everything that's going. The Tamiflu seems to be helping quite a lot, first dose made me really sick but it said in the leaflet it was likely first dose only and it was right.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8274374.stm  :)

I know my elderly mother will refuse it point blank when offered it. She had the ordinary flu vaccine one year and it made her so bad she won't have it again. She said the vaccine was much worse than catching the actual flu.

> course of two jabs, three weeks apart

You will also be offered the yearly flu jab , so it will be 2 jabs (a yearly and swine flu jab ) at the first visit followed by 1 three or so  weeks later . But it all depends upon what they have in the surgery so you may have to make 3 visits .

However , there are 2 manufacturers of the swine flu and you have to have 2 of the same swine flu jab , so when you get your second depends upon stock levels .

Form an orderly cue !!

ps . the swine flu jab is not live so should not give you flu . However , who knows what you might catch whilst in the cue !

Personally, I will probably be avoiding the vaccine....

I thought that the vaccine was produced using reverse genetics?  i.e. your body is tricked into thinking it has a dose of the H1N1 virus when given the vaccine (therefore producing immunity) and should you then actually contract the virus that built up immunity will 'kick in'.
That's if the virus itself doesn't mutate in the meantime....

>your body is tricked into thinking it has a dose of the H1N1 virus when given the vaccine (therefore producing immunity) and should you then actually contract the virus that built up immunity will 'kick in'.

Yep, that's the principle of vaccination - to give the body an inactive dose of the virus so that it learns to recognise it without suffering the symptoms of the disease itself.

> Yep, that's the of vaccination - to give the body an inactive dose of the virus so that it learns to recognise it without suffering the symptoms of the disease itself.

Thanks JG, I was pretty sure that was how it worked, just wanted to put it into correct layman's terms. :-)

It's the mutation that concerns me most.  As has happened with the H5N1 vaccines already, and for such a 'rushed through' testing procedure on this latest vaccine, I think it could be a big concern.
 

I have been having the flu jab for many years. some years you get a runny nose for a day, others a swollen arm. That would be your body fighting the injection, not a bad thing, better than having the flu and sometimes secondary infection, as I suffer with my chest. I would never go without it. In my opinion if the jab makes you ill, what would the flu have done?
Swine flu jab!! not sure yet!! I want to know a little more! it says on one of the internet sites, (that it is taken from hiv cancer monkeys) have to find out a lot more before I have it. It has been rushed through, not tested, which is very annoying as they have known for a couple of years about the swine flu, and the threat it imposes. There is a pneumonia jab that has been out for years, I may check that out.

Denese

>that it is taken from hiv cancer monkeys

HIV and cancer? That'll be scientists making their work even more difficult than it already is, by using animals with more than one serious condition!

Which internet sites told you that, denise? I'm not sure I'd trust their 'facts'! ;-)

>I want to know a little more! it says on one of the internet sites, (that it is taken from hiv cancer monkeys) have to find out a lot more before I have it. It has been rushed through, not tested, which is very annoying as they have known for a couple of years about the swine flu, and the threat it imposes.

Not been tested ? There have been extensive human trials & at least one company has developed it's vaccine without using the normal egg route, although the one being used in the UK is egg derived I understand. I cannot see them using monkeys/apes for flu vaccines when the ferret is the nearest in it's flu reactions. To use monkeys/primates that already have HIV & Cancer(I cannot see that they would even have monkeys/primates that have both)is a bit far-fetched & scaremongering IMHO

From all the animal testing research I have done I have never come across any research labs that use dual infected animals(& as I don't use any drugs/vaccines on myself that have been animal tested I do do an awful lot of research)

Not quite sure why the labs would need to infect animals to find the virus' DNA, this can be & is done from blood from infected humans.

moonmaiden, I do agree, I will try and find the site again. It was when I was researching and went from site to site.
A lot of front line workers are also doing more homework before having it. (I am in the at risk group!)

Denese

Jeangenie, Trust what facts? they never give us the true facts, like thalidomide. Neurologists are concern about the Brain Disorder, Gullain-Barre-Syndrome (GBS) this is fact. There has been a lot of confirmed cases after the swine flu Jab. Side effect. Now! do we know what people are at risk or is it roulette?

Denese

>Jeangenie, Trust what facts?

The facts that you read on those websites and told us here - that the vaccines come from 'hiv cancer monkeys' (what on earth are those?) and haven't been tested, etc etc.

>it says on one of the internet sites

Which one, please? I'd like to read their evidence for myself.

I work in a hospital, never had the flu one and won't be bothering with the swine flu one either!  I think, I've had the flu once, which was last Christmas, I didn't celebrate Christmas until New Years Day and hadn't seen my parents for over a week as I didn't want them getting whatever I had!

I don't want the vaccine, nor does my husband.
He was one of the poor chaps vaccinated by the government during Gulf War 1........side effects and problems which he'll now have for life......even though no problems with the vaccine exist (so the government say).

jeangenie,

Type    "Swineflu vaccine monkeys"  into google the site will come up.

Also    "swineflu vaccine HIV monkeys"   that should also come up.

These were sites I was directed to when I was checking what went into swineflu jab.

Denese

hmmm, with all due respect denese, I'm tempted to give these websites as much credence as I do to the producers of these vaccines anyway - i.e. not a lot!

eta, not to say that their claim is false (as I have certainly have my own long held opinions regards the vaccine producers/manufacturers prior to the H1N1 vaccine).

I am not in a high risk group, but my husband is so I will be getting the flu jab.  I've never had one and I am absolutely dreading it because of all the cr&p floating around the net about it.   I would rather have a swollen arm or a light fever than be responsible for my husband getting the flu.  Husband is needle phobic and will not be getting the jab, no point in trying to convince him otherwise because its not a rationale fear.  So if he gets the flu, it will not be from me.

Denese - the fact is that not only is GBS very rare, but it is thought to be caused by the flu itself as well as some bacterial infections.  The relationship between GBS and vaccines has never been proven.  In fact, no one knows what actually triggers GBS. Apparently it also occurs more often in people who have been struck by lightening!  Basically, if you get the jab or you get the flu itself you are at same risk of GBS.  Of course, you are at risk of many more complications from the flu itself if you contract it.

Tessies Tracey, it wasn't the site that I was first  directed to the other site had a lot more information on it. Can't find it again.
Had my seasonal flu jab this morning, feel fine at the moment, early days. But! still researching swine-flu jab, not yet convinced its ok.
I feel awful, as I was all for the vaccine for the HPV virus, as my grandchildren were going to have it untill the death of that poor girl.
My daughters had said what did I think, I did say, a great break through to protect Women, as it is known that the HPV virus can lead to cervical cancer!! God forbid! it could have been my grandchild. My heart goes out to the poor parents.

Denese 

Cairmania, I know what your saying, they do say they have changed part of the vaccine, so many conflicting stores. When I see or know that the front line workers, doctors, nurses, and all hospital staff have had it might think again.

Denese

>as my grandchildren were going to have it untill the death of that poor girl.

On the news just now they reported that her death had nothing to do with the vaccine, but was cause by an existing condition.

> but was cause by an existing condition

Or did the vaccine aggrivate the condition so the vaccine indirectly caused her death  ?  Would she be dead now if she didn't have the vaccine ?
And how many other girls are there that have un-known existing conditions that might die ?

My daughter was due to have it today but i rang yesterday and withheld consent . I will wait for further details before letting her have it .

> they do say they have changed part of the vaccine

They change part of the flu jab every year to prevent whichever flu has been circulating in the Southern hemisphere the previous winter . I wouldn't look at the swine flu jab as any different to any yearly flu jab however , we need to see how bad it is going to get this winter . I can get one every year because of my job but i've never had one as i hope i am fit enough to fight off flu . If this one starts to look as bad as previous pandemics have been then i will get one ( but i won't be at the front of the cue !!!).
We are very lucky in this country to be offered vaccinations that other countries don't get , such as polio and TB.
And if you don't want it no-one will force you !

Jeangenie, Yes I heard that! but! A lot of other cases have also now come forward, one girl in a wheelchair.
Underlying conditions, could be chest, heart,smoking, you could go on and on. If someone wants to pase the book, they will find somthing won't they. They should be more upfront and truthfull.

Denese

>If someone wants to pase the book

>They should be more upfront and truthfull.

There are always people who believe what they want to believe, whatever the facts might be.

> A lot of other cases have also now come forward

According to yesterdays Daily Mail , an ambulance was called for another child at the same school as the girl who died .  This girl refused to go in the ambulance as she is phobic but had ECG and blood tests by the paramedics . She is now being cared for at home by her Mother who says that she is complaining of back and chest pain , amongst other things .
There is a girl in a wheelchair and another with ME after last years round of vaccines .

At my daughters school yesterday 2 girls were sent home after their vaccines as they felt very unwell - one of those girls was born with a hole in her heart .   Many girls complained of dizzyness and sickness .

I think that the Government should have temporarily stopped all vaccines until the results from the girl who died are all in .
At the end of the day , a company is making LOTS of money on selling this vaccine so it is in their interest to have no link to the death and longterm problems of the other children .

Oh , and according to the Daily Mail they don't know how long this jab will last but they are hoping for 10 years cover !!!   So by the time our girls are 22 years old the vaccine will probably have stopped working !

> whatever the facts might be.

The facts are what we want to hear , not what the Government ( who could be sued by parents )  and the pharmaceutical company ( who could lose out on millions of pounds and be sued )  want us to hear .

Just the facts .

>Many girls complained of dizzyness and sickness

I don't mean to belittle the situation, but I remember girls fainting and feeling sick after the simple BCG skin test, which wasn't even the injection itself; girls especially can get themselves really worked up into a tizzy when there's no physical reason.

>So by the time our girls are 22 years old the vaccine will probably have stopped working !

But if by that time they've been exposed to the virus in the normal way, they'll be having 'natural boosters'.

Higher levels have been seen in a six year follow-up study .  Not a lot to base a decision on , but the only one we've got .

Higher levels of what?

> Higher levels of what?

Anti-body levels .

Yes, that seems reasonable for a vaccine that hasn't been around for very long. The only thing that will prove its duration of effectiveness is time and repeated testing on people who don't expose themselves naturally and 'top themselves up'.

I assume we're still off-topic and disussing the cervical cancer jab, not the swine flu jab?

I know my elderly mother will refuse it point blank when offered it. She had the ordinary flu vaccine one year and it made her so bad she won't have it again. She said the vaccine was much worse than catching the actual flu.

my OH has had flu jab last year and the year before , the first year he was fine but last year he was so ill and he now swears he wont be having it ever again,

The facts are what we want to hear , not what the Government ( who could be sued by parents )  and the pharmaceutical company ( who could lose out on millions of pounds and be sued )  want us to hear

Totally Agree with this i dont trust the goverment when it comes to these issues,
like the MMR and Autisum link they could not afford to adimt their was one,  weather it was true or not can you imagine the outcry and the law suites if they had turned around and said that (sorry edit to say wasnt Dr morton was Andrew Wakefield) may be right on the subject, instead they go out of their way to make us feel better and dismiss any truth in it what so ever To save their own necks,

>> I don't mean to belittle the situation, but I remember girls fainting and feeling sick after the simple BCG skin test, which wasn't even the injection itself; girls especially can get themselves really worked up into a tizzy when there's no physical reason.
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Yes your right i was one of them LOL

There are going to be risks with every vaccine, i have certainly weighed it up, and i for one will have the swine flu jab as my immune systen isn't that great.

Off Topic...I would have jump at the chance to have had the vaccine for cervical cancer, which surely must be worst.

They have now said that she had a malignant tumour of her chest .
I can only assume that the parents and child were unaware of this or she wouldn't have had the jab .

This still doesn't explain why it happened within 2 hours of having the jab . Did the jab exacerbate the tumour ?
I still need a lot of answers before i give consent again . I am finding this very stressful !

I can only hope that the poor girl didn't suffer , XXXX

Family members are reported as saying that she'd not been well "for some time", and are satisified that her death was not caused by the vaccine.

>Did the jab exacerbate the tumour ?

Stress can do all sorts of things; it could have been the stress of an injection (regardless of what was injected). Under different circumstances it could have been the stress of an exam, it could been the stress of being bullied, it could have been the stress of going dancing. It could also be a complete coincidence. Nobody will ever know.

according to the BBC the pathologist said her condition was "so severe that death could have arisen at any point" so it would seem quite possible that the stress of having the injection could have caused her death, but as Jeangenie pointed out if it hadn't been the injection it would have been something else.

As for the other girls at the school feeling ill, could easily have been a result of finding out that others were not feeling well.