Charlie is currently sitting on 24 JW points (only 7 weeks till our deadline) and after talking to people around the ring I was surprised at how many finished on 24 only missing it by 1 point!! :(
So how many of you are in the "missed it by one" club????? :) :)
Paula

Me, my first bullmastiff Chester, missed getting his JW by one point, we needed two points and he had his last open show the day before he turned 18mths, I had entered him in two classes at the show, got one point and then he got beaten in the next class. I was gutted.
It had been a real slog to get three dogs in the classes over the 12mths and we had travelled miles trying to get the points.
It really put me off trying again, with my other dogs over the past few years, but saying that I have recently got a new puppy who is stunning and I am tempted to try again.
Karen.

me to my Briard missed his Junior Warrent by 1 point as we brock down on our way to a show and never had enpugh shows with class's to get it .
probelm is with our breed is there are very few shows with breed class's
But never mind we still made him up to a champion.

I'm tempted to do this with my new pup, but i'm just a bit concerned about how many show i will have to do with her at such a young age, don't want her to get bored!

We could still do it but it seems to be getting quite stressful, not for the dog or OH who handles him but for me who stands by watching with my heart in my mouth LOL  :-)
We have had 9 second places at Champ shows but you get nothing for 2nd :(
We had not really thought about gaining his JW until he got to 15 points and we were told by friends "oh he could get that easy"
since then he has got to 24 and has gradually been placed lower and lower at each show ;) Sods Law.
Anyway, seems like some nice people are in the "missed it by 1" Club, so maybe we will join!! :-)
Paula

I'm sure he'll get and I know a few people who miss out only been a point or 2 away for the 25. With this in mind, my youngest dog I got at 12 months old and he had only been shown 7 times as a puppy winning all but one of his classes so had 12 or 13 points. I was determind to get his JW so entered quite a few shows and within 6 weeks of showing him he got his JW, one week later he won his first RCC so got his stud book number anyway! He ended up with 49 JW points by the time in was 18 months. I was very lucky but was so worried he wouldn't get it as it can be so hard.

You have 7 weeks so if there are anymore shows enter him and put him in all the classes at Open shows, I remember at one open show my boy got 2nd in Junior then 1st in Post Grad gaining a point. Goodluck and fingers crossed and keep us posted! :)

I belong to this club, my youngest Leo missed her junior warrant by 1 point, we missed umpteen open shows due to seasons and other comitments, last show before she hit 18 months was LKA, entered her in two relitivley large classes, junior and PG, she won Junior but alas not PG, still so proud that she made 24 points though

We once met a Leo while we were stuck in a traffic jam on its way to a show in the Kennel Club Building ,chasing JW points, as were we!! my OH got out to see what the hold up was (really bad accident with a motorbike) and had a little chat. Looks like we are all mad! :)
Paula

we finished on 18 - he went lame at 14 months old for no reason which led onto all sorts of other movement issues :(

Alfs daughter finished on 24, so disappointing.

Not me (don't think we'll make it sadly - can't get to enough champ shows to get the points up) - but a friend was one off getting hers too - there seems to be a lot of it about!

Missed it by 3, very frustrating as that was my first ever dog, and I wasn't hooked quickly enough and we wasted most of his puppy months. He got 21 of those 22 points between 12 and 18 months, so if only I'd entered more than the 4 or 5 shows we did between 6 and 12 months, I feel sure we'd have got it. I also still feel that if you go on to win BOB and there are 3 class winners in the challenge, it should count as another point for an open BOB or 3 points for a Champ BOB, we would have won it easily and it still rankles. :-( Oh well!

Good luck with the last point, Paula!

> I also still feel that if you go on to win BOB and there are 3 class winners in the challenge, it should count as another point for an open BOB or 3 points for a Champ BOB, we would have won it easily and it still rankles. :-( Oh well!

Bit late for you but these days it does at open shows :) I got a point on my youngster because he was the only one in his class but went on to BOB, beating 3 dogs. Only counts if you haven't won a point from your class though.

1 Three points for each First Prize awarded in a Breed Class at a Championship Show where
Challenge Certificates were on offer for the breed.

2 One point for each First Prize awarded in a Breed Class at a Championship Show where Challenge
Certificates were not offered for the breed, or at an Open Show.

3 One point for the award of Best of Breed at an Open Show. Only to be claimed if no Junior Warrant
Points were gained by that dog by winning a Breed Class or Classes.

4 Junior Warrant points cannot be claimed from classes or for awards with less than three dogs of the
breed present. In assessing the number of dogs present in each class, exhibitors may count a dog as
having been present in a class provided it was entered in that class and was present in its first class
for the breed at that Show.

I think she meant extra point.

The times I have won BOB the I already had a point/s from the class.

I really feel that if there are not 3 in the class Best Puppy should count if there are more than 3 pups, as after all JW it is a young stock award, and it is not that common for a puppy to go BOB at Open shows, judges tending to give them Best Puppy with BOB to the adult so both go through to their respective groups.

With only 55 registrations last year my Inka has not got points in any class lower than Post Graduate (except at club ch show).

We are on 16 points and need 3 more at Open shows and two at Champ shows.  We have 5 champ shows before she is 18 months (but she has won out of Post Graduate), the Open shows are going to be the hard ones, with only two coming up that I would usually do, so will have to go class and show hunting to probably find I'm the only entry.

She has won 20 champ show classes and 10 that count as Open show classes.

I've just counted and we are entered into 5 Champ shows and 3 breed club open shows before the time runs out, (2 classes in each entered) so if Charlie doesn't get it then at least we can say we gave it our all! :)
Brainless, people had suggested we take our 4 year old bitch to some open shows to make up the numbers and enter PG and O. Could you try that? Have you got another doggy that could help out? (you would obviously need someone to handle the other one)
Paula

The only problem with that is you need to make sure what you are taking along is not going to better the youngster for the JW points. Or you get someone to handle really really badly your other dogs so that there is no way that they could win..But even then some judges look past that

I am sure you will get it, you have done so well this year in the ring. We will have our fingers crossed for you at the shows

> you would obviously need someone to handle the other one

That is my main problem as often there is just the one class they are all eligible for.

I have never taken dogs to make up the numbers but there is a show coming up in November that I just might put her in Open with one of the others and I still have one that I don't shwo who still qualifies for Post Graduate, in case there are no other entries..

Just want to wish you good luck in your search for that last point,i'm sure you will get it. I know how stressful it is and what a wonderful feeling when its finally done!

Mel.x

I need 1 more win and 3 shows left to get it. ( 2 being Ireland so entries who knows)  Keep your toes and fingers all crossed.

Well good luck to all of us.

I got loads of open show points with Curtis, it was just the Champ show one I had a problem getting as he sometimes stood alone or with only 2 in the class and then coming to the last few shows he could've got the 3 points her needed - the girls came into season, so he had to go on his holidays!   

Thanks Mel, I'm the only one stressed, Charlie is....well just Charlie (completely insane 16 month male Dal) and OH who handles him is a calm natured person at heart. I might need a stiff drink at the next few shows!! :-)

Brainless, I haven't tried taking my bitch as knowing my luck she would beat him. And she is currently having a little phantom! :-(

We are in Ireland at the weekend, 2 champ shows. 1 club and then Belfast but the entries for both are awful for our breed (51 and 57) so might not get the numbers in the classes we need. 

Good luck to all the others in our shoes.
Paula

Yes I meant extra points - we only got one First where there weren't 3 in the class (and only got RBOB anyway that day). But we got about 8 or 9 BOBs including the one that was CC and BOB at a champ show, where we had already got points for the classes, so we'd have made the 25 points with tons to spare if only the challenge counted. If you beat 2 other dogs in the challenge, why shouldn't it count as much as beating 2 other dogs in a class! :-)

Yipee entered at our Breed club Open show, was so desperate for those hard to find Open show points that I entered Junior, Yearling, Limit and Open.  She won the first three classes and there were 3 or more in each class, so we have the 3 other minimum Open show points we needed.

Interestingly up to that point she was the only unbeaten bitch, she was then 4th in Open so the Bitch challenge consisted of the Open and two veteran class winners.  It is usual in our breed to enter multiple classes, especially at club shows.

So that gives us 19 points, so just need to win two champ show classes, and we have five more shows to do it in.

I'm still not sure how it works but aren't you allowed to pull out of the Open Class to remain unbeaten?

You cannot withdraw from breed classes.

>You cannot withdraw from breed classes.

I thought not, but was told otherwise in this thread (see the last post).

If you are quoting me I actually wrote


Not it's not, however if you won the Minor Puppy & missed the puppy class you cannot challenge for best puppy or best dog, you can withdraw from AV classes to be eligible for BIS/BIG/BPIS/BPIG, but not the breed classes

Please point out where I have written that you can withdraw from breed classes ?

Thanks- I have never really understood it all so I just enter one class. I wondered about entering more as it is often a long journey but I spend the whole day chatting as anyone will tell you so probably no time for another class anyway. lol

>Please point out where I have written that you can withdraw from breed classes ?

Where you said "If you get binned in the first class & miss the second, no one will say or do anything-it's polite to tell the ring steward that your dog won't be in it's next class." certainly suggests that you can withdraw from breed classes, especially in the context of the original thread.

The case I wrote of is specific-if you get binned-ie chucked out, not placed, excused & you choose not to go in the next class, no one will say anything. However if you want to compete for BOB etc you cannot challenge if you miss a class. That is withdrawing from a breed class, not simply not going in to make up the numbers & get binned again

I've lost all interest in the JW warrant system... for the first time in 20 years of showing dogs at Exemption, Open & Champ shows, I finally had a shot at it.  Pup had won 2 tickets & a reserve and numerous best puppy in breeds & open but more at champ shows and on her last day as a junior missed her JW by one point as the other dog that was entered in her class she won at the open show didn't go in...so she she didn't get her point. 

She beaten every other junior up until then and utterly deserved her JW - you couldn't deny it... but lost it by default.  So I'm afraid it doesn't really impress me much now as IMO the system is wrong.

>if you get binned-ie chucked out, not placed, excused & you choose not to go in the next class, no one will say anything.

Thank you for the clarification - that wasn't clear in your original post. Withdrawal from a breed class is usually frowned upon, whatever the reason behind it (unless either dog or handler is taken ill).

> on her last day as a junior missed her JW by one point as the other dog that was entered in her class she won at the open show didn't go in...so she she didn't get her point. 
>

If the dog you mention went in one class and then chose not to go into the class you won you can still count them as being there and get your point.

Quote:
4 Junior Warrant points cannot be claimed from classes or for awards with less than three dogs of the breed present. In assessing the number of dogs present in each class, exhibitors may count a dog as having been present in a class provided it was entered in that class and was present in its first class for the breed at that Show.

I can't remember to be honest if it had already been shown.  I think it was a case of sour grapes as it had obviously been prepped for show but the owners (who have a bit of a grudge) also knew my dog was needing her final point from that class!

I would check as there is no time limit on claiming the JW.  You should be able to get the details of which dogs were in the class from the marked catalogue held but the club.

That is why that paragraph says what it does to prevent someone scuppering someone else by not going in the next class.

WE GOT IT!! Charlie finally got the last remaining point he needed for his JW at Belfast on Sunday.
I have to say we are so relieved that its over and we can go back to just enjoying the dog showing without the pressure of a deadline. :-)
Paula

Congratulations!

Well done.

Hooray!!! Many congratulations!!! :)

well done, so pleased for you.Good to see you at weekend and hope he goes on to many more wins :)

Thanks everyone,
nice to see you too Coops555, Charlie is going to enjoy his break, he's earned it and it will be nice to pick and chooses the shows we want to enter and not be dashing up and down the country entering everything possible!! ;-)
Paula

Well done, I am really pleased for you.

Well done .. brilliant. I got mine to :-)

Well done to you too Blue!! :)
paula

Yippee.

I think mine is going to be the only one for our breed this year, and last year there was one, none the year before.

Im going to sounds really thick but what does the JW achieve? is it just a status for your dog? what sort of awards should you be trying to acchieve if you have a 7 month old dog? Or is there no warrants until its over 12 months?

Can you tell im clueless?!

hah

a permanent qualification for crufts.
You must have 25 points in total.
3 points are awarded from each championship show win.
1 point is awarded for every Open Show win, or a Championship Show where CC's were not on offer for the breed.
You can only claim points if you are placed 1st in a Breed Class, such as Puppy, Graduate, Limit, Open etc.  Please note that Best Puppy, Any Variety and Any Variety Not Separately Classified classes do not count.
The dog must be between 6 and 18 months of age when claiming points.
A minimum of 3 points must be from Championship Shows
A minimum of 3 points must be from Open Shows
JW points cannot be claimed if there are less then 3 dogs present in the class.
You can claim one point for Best of Breed at an Open Show, but only if you were not able to claim a point for a 1st prize in a breed class and only where there are three or more dogs present in the breed
You can claim points for 'Special' Breed Classes i.e. Special Beginners, Special Yearling provided these classes are listed under the breed classification and the relevant number of dogs are present
You can claim points for 'Stakes' classes at a Single Breed show provided the relevant number of dogs are present

wow so like a lifetime entry to crufts?!

Does someone tally up the points for you or do you have to keep track?

I cant believe how much there is to showing its crazy.

you have to keep a track, they are really hard to get tho if you think about it especially with a popular breed and just as hard with an unpopular breed.
think about it. you need at minimum 8 wins ant champ show where quite possibly there will be 20 dogs in your class, plus 1 win at open, and at worst you need 22 wins at open shows where there has to be at least 3 present. shows are roughly once a week if you go from one end of the country to the other. 12 months is not a lot of time for getting 25 points especially when you are new to showing. and in a breed like mine, at open shows you rarely get 3 per breed class and at champshows there are about 15 per breed class!