I think i have one in my house. Kayc any tips on how to cope with one??

Yes.. load of tips, sadly none are sensible, and none that actually make a hoot of a difference  anyway lol...

Hmm, Who would ever have a Lab i ask myself..

And these are the dogs that are portrayed as cute little puppies in adverts, and are supposed to make wonderful family pets :-O lol  psst.. I have 10 going spare.. can deliver if required lolol

Ollie did not too badly at Wolsingham today though.. he got a 3rd.. Judge kept looking at him.. stood to perfection when her back was turned.. bounced or rolled over when looking at  him..  leaving baby Hannah taking BPIB, then he ate her rossette (groan) lol... He is a boy who just wants to have fun lol..

Your next Lab wont be as bad (fingers crossed behind back) lol

Problem i have is this dog isn't mine, its my fathers and its almost left to me to deal with. I personally don't have time for tim on top of my 2 dogs right now, one being a pup.
He is from working lines which makes it even more difficult.. All our other Labs have also been from similar lines but so very quiet and pleasing and not so headstrong and difficult.. Lovely as he is, its put me right off Lab's.. Just not for me.. He just winds my adult Bernese up who tells him off all the time, Lab ignores being told off and continues, which means it takes for me to step it remove him and calm him down.. No wonder i'm so flaming tired..

hmmm... how old is he, and how much does he actually understand.. My Ollie does understand, to a certain extent.. I can command him to sit etc.. and he complies, but, for all of 2 seconds.. basically a case of done it, what next.. ...

How long have you got the dog for, is this a holliday, (for him) or and ongoing thing.. .. Any dog is a nightmare when out of control, but Labs seem to be worse, I think because we expect Labs to be ultra intelligent, and born trained ..

A working strain Lab can be pretty high maintenance, and although wonderful when well trained, can be a nightmare trying to train.. 'they know better'.. and can be a full time job on its own..

A working Lab will get bored easily, and needs distraction, which could be why he is persisting in annoying your Bernese..

Labs dont deal with harsh handling well, so its more a 'firm but gentle' approach required.. and 'time out's dont work.. A Labs brain will find other things to do, and not understand the time out.

When Ollie was younger and more of a pain than usual.. I put him on a lead and simply trailed him around the house with me.. or if I wanted to sit and watch TV.. I sat there with his lead wrapped around my wrist.. he had no option but to 'eventually' give in and lie down.. that was after he had bounced on me 100 times.. and repeatedly being placed in a down position.. exhaustion and tears were the norm.. he will be 4 years old next month.. and nothings changed.. I have just babygated everyroom in the house.. so he can be with us, but not in a position to be a brat to the others.. I learned to live my life around Ollie.. and really only came to terms with him about a year ago.. I will NEVER win ..

Do you have a day run outside when he can go for outside time out with toys, or is he too noisy.. allowing your bernese to be with him.. just on the other side of a barrier.. this is what I have done.. Ollie on one side, and the rest on the other.. a simple fence with Sheep fencing worked for me..

No useful advice but I feel your pain - I have 2 spawns of Satan (one Cav one Yankee) and one good little girl (most of the time!). I think they just like to test how much we'll put up with sometimes....

A dog who is untrainable is not testing us to see how much we will put up with.. they simply dont understand, so we have to understand them. and work around it.. yes.. most dogs can be demons at times lol.. but other have behavioural problems akin human ADHD, autism and Aspergers.. its called Hyperkenesis. and believe me,, a nightmare to live with.. but we do..

I wouldnt wish a Hyperkentic dog on my worst enemy (well not all day lol) We all have dogs who can be naughty.. I have a few of them lol, but on the whole, they are reasonably trained and well behaved.. and do understand.. Ollie doesnt.. and by the sounds of it.. neither does Suejaws Lab. 

Living with a dog 24hrs a day under these circumstances have reduced even the strongest people to tears. .. These dogs do not train.. and you are looking at a possible 10/15years of giving up your life to this :-(

Living with a dog 24hrs a day under these circumstances have reduced even the strongest people to tears. .. These dogs do not train.. and you are looking at a possible 10/15years of giving up your life to this 

So now I have a name for Cooper's problem :-) I have never owned a dog like him before and he has been a massive learning curve for me and boy is he hard work. I have often said that I thought he was autistic but didn't realise that dogs could actually be autistic. Off to google Hyperkentic dogs now :-)

Just read up about this condition and lots of the google links do ring true with regards his behaviour. He has 2 speeds, flat out or deep sleep.
He can sit and stay, but can't hold it for more than a few seconds before jumping about on the other dogs or me.
He knows come, which he does do but says hello briefly and a split second later he is running on and away again..

he is constantly being told off my my adult yet he doesn't learn. I have a friends dog over sometimes and he is the same with him and my friends dog spends the whole time telling him off which can be a good hour unless i split them up.
We do have gates and runs and can split them up, but my Bernese who can sometimes forget he has a brain can jump them and will go in to be with the Lab??? Must get taller gates

My pup Bernese luckily doesn't get any real hassle from the Lab which is a good thing.

Right now i have a dead to the world Lab(bliss)

It appears on top of the constant training that Ritalin appears to be something they are looking at giving dogs. Not sure about that as i used to work with kids in America with ADD/ADHD and can't say there was any difference in their behaviour when they forgot to take it.

Further to this i don't believe that his diet is a good one for him in the slightest. I can't change his food as all hell would break loose, but he is fed on Bakers complete which is so full of the wrong foods for a hyper dog.

I spoke to the specialist about Ritalin , possibly a year ago now.. and resisted it.. I think there were only 3 vets in the UK licencensed to prescribe it, could be more now.. but tests in the US have been inconclusive, and I would not use it unless on a controlled test programme, of which there is nothing planned in the UK..

But.. we now have Ollie on a mixture of Magnesium, Zinc and Beta Caratene (sp  too lazy to go check)  it took a while to work out quantities , and although Ollie is still very much 'off the wall', we are having more moments of controlled concentration..  Ollie will be 4 years old next month, so much of his behaviour now is pretty much his way of life and will never change..

But in a younger dog, if diagnosed early enough, maybe,,, and I do stress Maybe. the above mix could alter the brains way of thinking, so training would be a little easier, and learned good habits will be more managable...

Form your description, it sounds very much like your Lab is an 'Ollie' ..

When I am trying to get his concentration.. even simple things like throwing a ball for retrieve, I hold an empty juice/water bottle in my other hand.. I can hold his concentration for around 5 seconds using this... and yes, they only have 2 speeds.. 200mph or dead..

Behaviour is eratic, and sometimes downright dangerous.. Ollie has knocked me unconcious...

Oh.. another thing, they dont tend to feel pain either.. so be aware of any injuries..

> they dont tend to feel pain either.. so be aware of any injuries..

Been there done that.. He hasn't a clue. He chomps on an ear of my eldest who squeels, will only let go when the eldest is able to turn and pin him to the ground. My eldest seems to of gone into CM mode with the pinning down on the neck. The Lab keeps going and when he is let go of goes back snapping at the eldest.. Poor thing..

Thanks for the advice, spoke to my Dad about this and he is interested in some respects as i said where the advice came from and is thinking everything through. May look at the mix you are using as no one would know if i were to give him that on top of his dinner.

Sounds just like my GSD to be honest, he is 6 1/2 now & I can see light at the end of the tunnel! He had the attention span of a gnat. Seriously though, if you are the main carer for this dog, I would certainly be looking at a change in diet, it sounds like all hell is breaking loose anyway, so don't think it could get any worse. Surely your father should meet you half way? I discovered agility & this has been the making of my dog, I am so proud of what we have achieved.