After speaking to somebody about this, they said that if you had a dog with an undescended testicle castrated then you could obtain permission to show from the KC.  Is this really right?  There are so many rules and regulations I am trying to get me head round.

You can get permission to show any castrated dog from the KC

How old is he?  Has he already been done?

You no longer need permission from the KC to show a spayed bitch or castrated dog, you just need to inform them it has been done.

Thanks for the replies.  Just one thing I don't really understand is that a missing testicle is a fault in the ring so if you can have the dog castrated and still show you are removing the 'fault'.  I understand that a dog would probably get penalised for it but it still seems strange to me. 

I was reading up on this subject, and it says you should not breed if the dog has an undecended testicle. They should be castrated so they can never be bred from :-( as it will be passed on to their puppies.  This is the first puppy we have had with this problem. In alot of cases the testicle will drop within a year, but if the vet advises you to go for the operation, then the poor dog will never know if the problem would have corrected itself.

sheltpap. has he already had the op??? what age is he?

He has not had operation yet. he is 6 months old and weighs 14kg.  The vet we use just phoned me and said they would charge £220 for operation of castration and removal of undecended testicle, so where did the figure £500 come from? Is it because my friend lives near London?

There is no hurry to have the operation, and there is also no necessity to castrate the dog, though of course he should not be bred from.

My friend had planned to have Samson castrated anyway. I phoned her last night and told her our vet would do the operation for £300 less than her vet, and she is considering bringing him 90 miles to our vet to save herself £300 :-)

what breed is he ? am i right in thinking hes a sheltie?

ESS English Springer Spaniel

IHe has not had operation yet. he is 6 months old and weighs 14kg.  The vet we use just phoned me and said they would charge £220 for operation of castration and removal of undescended testicle, so where did the figure £500 come from? Is it because my friend lives near London?

I have recently just finished some veterinary nursing experience and was lucky enough to go into the theatre and watch the castration procedure on a cocker spaniel with a undescended testicle. The prodecure, I believe cost around £300 for this particular dog. I believe that the vet that quoted you £500 was charging very highly. The operation that I witnessed lasted around 45 minutes, it took one vet and a single op veterinary nurse to perform, the dog needed a GA, pre meds and the reverse drug for the sedatives, is offered easily digestable food whilst in recovery plus is checked upon regularly by the kennel nurses, the dog may also need a buster collar so add that on too. So basically what you are paying for is the vets time, the op nurses time, the kennel nurses time, the price for at least three syringes of drugs, a meal for the dog, oxygen for the dog under GA plus the vet or vet nurses time for the discharge (consultation for when you pick up your pet). Basically all these things are added up and then on top of that of  course is the profit for the vets clinic. Plus sometimes the removal of a undescended testicle can sometimes be a little more tricky if it is located upwards in the abdomen (according to the vet I spoke too) so you may also be charged for extended time if the testicle takes longer to be removed. Of course different vet clinics price up drugs and charge for time differently so there is also that to consider. I hope this has given you a bit of an insight into the operation, it was certainly very interesting to watch.

Thank you :-) I watched a c/section on u tube yesterday, I think if it had been in a real operating theatre, I would have been in tears!!!

I no this is a different operation altogether, but it cost me £349 for my ESS to have a cesearian section to deliver 3 puppies, there were 4 vets around the operating table. (the first puppy came naturally, and the second got stuck)
Can you imagine the cost of the operation you saw if 4 vets attended? :-)

'I think if it had been in a real operating theatre, I would have been in tears!!!'
Actually I bet you would surprise yourself, you tend to detatch yourself from whats going on, so long as you don't begin to think that the dog on the theatre table is your dog then you tend to be fine. Anyways in these sorts of operations there is very little blood indeed.

Can you imagine the cost of the operation you saw 4 vets attend
Yes I can, 4x vet's time = much lighter pockets. Why were there 4 vets? surely at most you would need two with two or more VN's for this procedure. Were the extra vet's trainees perhaps?

> but it cost me £349 for my ESS to have a cesearian section to deliver 3 puppies

WOW!!  What a cheap vet!!!   Last year I had ONE vet attend for a C-section on a toy breed.  Cost?   £1,086 

No all 4 vets have been vets for many years :-) I dont know why there were 4, but it was an emergency c/section, so they needed to get the puppies out.  My bitch had delivered one pup but the second got stuck. 

> This is the first puppy we have had with this problem. In alot of cases the testicle will drop within a year, but if the vet advises you to go for the operation, then the poor dog will never know if the problem would have corrected itself.

I had a boy with an undescended testicle, and didn't even consider that the vet had any choice in the matter to be honest with you. 

Once he was a year old, and it was extremely unlikely that anything was going to happen, I went ahead and asked the vet to remove the missing specimen.  He found it in the inguinal canal, and it was half the size of the descended testicle.  I was impressed with the surgery though, just a small incision in the groin and healed very quickly. 

As I wanted the dog for obedience and not for breeding, it wasn't an issue for me.  My large breed girls are spayed anyway.

> year I had ONE vet attend for a C-section on a toy breed.  Cost?   £1,086 

ouch! that seems very expensive, where i work we charge around the 300 mark for a c-section, out of hours would include the OOH charge of around £70.... where do you live?

Hi Suz

I'm in the south west and two C-sections that I had done during normal office hours two years ago, were £648 each, toy breeds again, so yours is still less than half price to me.  The one that cost me over a grand was at night.  When they much prefer to have problems, so costing me double, and keeping me from sleep!!!   :-)

My friend brought her 6 month old ESS 100 miles to our vet for his operation last friday, the bill was £230, compared to what thier vet was going to charge £550!!! He had a small incision in the groin and the undecended tesicle was half the size of the normal one.  Cannot believe how much vets prices differ from different areas. We are in the West Midlands.