ok had a phone call last night  from a lady that wants to bred her second gen bitch cocker poo.
she cannot find a stud dog local,found one up north going to leave her there for a week,told her about the blood test, abc. tablets before mating for her bitch,the good and the bad pit falls of breeding,
did she take that on board probaly not.
i just look up cocker poo and can belive the price they are going for,where the dam/sire donot have any health test done.not kc reg,ect

so what health test do cocker have and poodles.
some where down the line on a second or 3rd gene breeding to cocker poo there oing to be a problem rise.

specaliy mouth with poodles.

ok let list problem with both of this breeds cockers and poodles
i  am quite open to what problem both my breeds have.
wouldnt cross a flatcoated retriever with a spanish water dogs one major  problem could rise from both of these.
breed put together,

but could get a nice mixer if i did with temperment.no moulting of coat,? dont know what size they would grow to fcr or swd size.

well coming of my high horse now.

hi

if you mate a cockerpoo to a cockerpoo will you not end up with cockers and poodles?

wendy

i know that i not stupied.

just asking what the health issues with the cockers and poodles.
it not the 2nd or the 3rd gen that may not get the problem it could be the 4th to 7th or the bottle neck of use the same dogs,
where the problem could rise from using the cocker and the poodles in the first place,
to go forward you always have to look back as well,
and if there no pedigree with this breed you cannot find a common link.

According to the Cocker Spaniel Club website, cockers should be tested for PRA, HD and familial nephropathy if possible. and poodles need eye testing for PRA and ideally hip scoring as well.

So both breeds share the same eye problem - no point in breeding them together for health purposes - it can only be for fashion.

thanks lets see what happens with this liitle breed in the future,

Sorry wasnt implying you were stupid it was a genuine question.

I had a 'clash' with someone breeding "cockerpoos" and the dam was an American Cocker!

Because the fashion for crossing poodles with anything going (how they must dislike poor poodles!) started in America, the original crosses would have been with American Cockers - because over there they're just called Cockers, and what we call Cockers they call 'English Cockers'.

I daresay if you're going for accuracy with the portmanteau name, over here an American Cocker crossed with a poodle should be a Yankipoo to distinguish it from one descended from a cocker.

Yes but I was thinking along the lines of health testing if American Cocker club require different tests from our own cocker.

I thought it all started in Australia but yes the Americans seem to be crossing anything to anything and creating a name for the offspring.

The KC's ABS requirements are only for eye testing; the American Cocker Club website is more detailed about the eye problems.

(Shame they can't spell 'colitis' properly on the health page!)

so there could be health problem with this breed in the future.

Undoubtedly. And when you realise that the vast majority have no health tests at all, the problems will show sooner rather than later.

lets have it right people will cross anthing these days and it must be the £ signs that make them do it, its bad enough having health propblems with one dog but to give them 2 sets of problems is disgusting, sadly though people are still paing the ridiculous prices for a cross.

just do a seach on google for cockerpoo see how many are out there and the price

not far off the price of a swd which dam/sire will be tested.kc,ect

I can never understand the need for all these designer crosses - greed can be the only motive. With so many pure breeds to choose from, that are health-tested and their potential problems are known, it seems ridiculous to cross these breeds to basically produce mongrels and problems that can easily be doubled up on and worse. There is a pure breed out there for everyone, whether it be small, large, short-coated, non-shedding etc. Why mess with them?

Hi
I agree, in an ideal world the pedigrees that you can buy should suit all types of lifestyles & people.  Unfortunately, there are many so called 'breeders' who breed for the money, breeding health problems on and in some breeds are guided by the KC for types thats are problematic to the dogs wellbeing. ie bulldogs etc to name just one. I know of many who come to our training club that have tried to buy a healthy pedigree, going through the KC sometimes with an 'Accredited Breeder' and have bought badly bred dogs.  Also, most people that have ever owned a cross breed comment on how healthy and long lived they are compared to the pedigree.  Maybe, just maybe we should just accept the 'designer' dogs as we cant control what people do, if they can sell them for these ridiculous amounts then they are bound to continue.  Its a tricky one...

How can people justify charging such high prices for what is I suppose a mongrel(I have nothing against mongrels...we have 1)!!! If both parents are KC etc, can the pups then be registered as KC? I have seen advertised Cavachons at over £600!!!!!!!!!!!!! The mind boggles. Why not keep pure bred breeds as pure bred. The Cavaliers have enough health problems without breeding with another breed as do other breeds!! I have had all the tests done on my 2 girls and one has come back with having eye problems. For obvious reasons I will not breed from her. Yet other people, without a thought for the health of the dog, breed for as much money as they can get!!!! Makes my blood boil.

>If both parents are KC etc, can the pups then be registered as KC?

Only if both KC registered parents are the same breed!

>most people that have ever owned a cross breed comment on how healthy and long lived they are compared to the pedigree.

Our old mongrel died of cancer at 10 - our pedigree lab died at 13 and my pedigree dals at up to 15 (current oldie 14½). So my personal evidence points to pedigrees living longer.

Aren't all pedigrees just designer dogs? They are bred only for confirmation and looks. As for pedigrees living longer than mongrels, I see a lot of pedigrees day in and day out suffering from health complaints and skin problems, regardless of health testing. For the record, all of the cockerpoos I've seen have had no health problems as yet, but no doubt the breeders will create problems further through the generations by breeding for confirmation and uniform looks, as they are still susceptible to all of the problems that plague the parents breeds.
We lost our last GSD at 10, recently a family member lost their Dalmation at just 2 years old from bone cancer, an aquaintence lost their Neapolitan Mastiff of cancer at 5 years and I see loads of 8 - 12 year old purebred dogs that come in with cancer lumps or that are almost blind or stiff with arthritis, HD etc... etc... yes all pedigrees and regardless of testing of parents, some dogs WILL still suffer some complaints. I see a lot of purebred dogs come in that are just 1 - 2 years old with horrible skin conditions that they will have to endure another 10 years of at least. The crossbreeds I see or, as a good example, the Jack Russells (not parson) which are considered a breed, but are bred without health tests, mated to this or that dog and not really bred with any uniformity in mind, seem to be just like the mongrels, one of the most healthiest dogs we see. Incidently our family Jack Russell crosses and heinz 57's all lived well into their late teens (as did their offspring), the last living to 18 years of age without so much as a health problem until over 15 years, which is an excellent age for any dog. All that being fed on cheap dog food just as any other dog back then, before all these premium brands hit the market.

To be honest, I wouldn't worry about what other people are doing or buying, that is up to them! The foundations were laid by the show breeders, like it or not. Testing is a good thing, but is no where near going to change the state of the majority of pedigree dogs in the near future. Also regardless of who you think you are or who thinks you're right, not one of us has the right to play God or dictate if anyone else should or not, yet we still think we do and choose to and that somehow some of us are elite and above the rest in what we do. It's pathetic. Concentrate on your own business and take pride in what you do, then you can sleep easy at night, but you'll never stop people being people.
The cockerpoos I've met have all been lovely tempered and very healthy to date, which one exception (it's temperment probably more from non-dog people owning it than breeding). I'm sure this is the way all of the breeds we know and love started... good intentions and all that!

Also, most people that have ever owned a cross breed comment on how healthy and long lived they are compared to the pedigree.

I had a rescued crossbreed (collie type) with severe HD. She died of bone cancer. My pedigree dogs have great hips because they are from low scoring parents. I also had an accidental litter of crossbred pups 7 years ago. One of those that I sold died last year aged 6 of cancer. The purebred father died aged 13 this year, the mother is still alive aged 9. So that's another crossbreed who was LESS healthy than its purebred parents.

Your story is sad, i was only saying on what seems to be the common scenario.  My first ever dog was a boxer - many breed specific problems, came from a very well known breeder who's sire was a crufts champion as was the dam.  My second dog was a cross lab/gsd/collie, never a trip to the vets apart from routine visits and at the end of this 14 years of life, then my 1st shepherd, comes from a well known kennel that I wont name on here,  anal furunculosis and skin problems, my 2nd gsd has a HD mite allergy.  Maybe your dogs have been carefully breed which is great.  My point was that we may be concerned about doodles etc but there are many pedigrees that have been badly bred and just because they have a pedigree does not make them healthy and problem free.

Dear The Mutts

I could not have put it better myself :-)

Dear Toffeecrisp
Its a supply and demand issue - if people are willing to pay these prices then people will continue to breed them. Nothing anyone can do about it.

Not aimed at anyone in particular but I can't see any reason for turning this thread into another pedigrees v crossbreeds debate (there are countless similar threads already, mainly on the General board). Briedog asked what health tests were needed for Cockers and Poodles and looks to have had her question answered so I will close this now.

If anyone wants to start yet another thread arguing the merits of crossbreeds v pedigrees, then the General Board is the place to do it, thanks.