Can any one give me advice on what to do On sat i bought a 4mth old bedlington terrier
His owner said he didnt believe in conventional jabs because of all the chemicals they
contained and gave me a certificate saying the pup as had a 6 week course
Are they affective and if they are not would it be safe to take him for his jabs at the vets
I know when i was ill once i asked my doctor about homopathic pills and as far as he was
concerned did not have any faith in them at all
Years ago i had a wolfhound who had like a form of hay fever at certain times of the year
I tried a  homopathic vet but he never cured him but niether did the conventional vet
so i rearly dont know what to think or do and would be rearly gratefull for any advice

Clinical trials have so far failed to prove than homeopathic medicines are effective. Even the British Association of Homoeopathic veterinary Surgeons state that nosodes are not designed to be used as an alternative to conventional vaccine, but are designed to be given when the animal has the symptoms of the disease.

If he were my dog I'd get him conventionally vaccinated - at his age he'll have no protection from maternal antibodies.

Discuss your fears with your vet.

Hi Jacqueline

I use homeopathic nosodes for my dogs BUT they had conventional vaccination as pups. 

I was advised by an expert in the field  (professor at Glasgow uni) to have just one shot after 12 weeks of age for parvo/distemper and two weeks later to have the first lepto shot and then the second lepto shot two weeks after that,  this should give your dog the immunity he needs. 

I was advised to titre test 12 months after to establish whether or not they need their boosters, as one was low on antibodies for parvo I found a homeopathic vet to treat them with the nosodes.  I err on the side of caution as my last dog died age 3 after an adverse reaction to a booster he didn't need.

So yes, go along to your vet and get his puppy vaccinations carried out.  But when his booster is due you can then decided whether to go down the homeopathic nosode route, or titre test or booster, but at such a young age he does need protection.

 

Homeopathic remedies are simply over-priced 'magic' water.  If you don't believe me read the article on the Bad Science webite - sorry can't do links.

Don't waste your money.

Thank you all for your quick replys he is booked in on weds
for his jabs

I believe very much that homeopathy can work and have seen in work many times in people as well as my animals! However, I would not rely on homeopathic "vaccinations" as it is - like someone else stated - not a preventative remedy!

I'd do the puppy vaccinations and first boosters and then titre test.

Vera

definately go for conventional vaccinations as the diseases we vaccinate for are killers and are around all over the country still. i am personally very sceptical of homeopathy BUT i did try thuja (sp?) for my horse when he developed a sarcoid and it did come away after about 10 days of giving the tablets. maybe a coincidence but all i can say is i gave the tablets and it went - so despite my reservations there maybe something to this homeopathy???

Thuja is a homeopathic remedy which can be given to prevent adverse reactions to vaccinations. It is also a treatment for warts.

Homeopathic remedies do work, it is treating like with like which is a little like normal vaccinations but without all the dangerous additives.

But vaccinations stay in the body as the body creats anti-bodies. Homeopathic nosodes don't do this so  how can it work unless the dog has the symptoms at the time?

>how can it work unless the dog has the symptoms at the time?

Exactly. The theory of homoeopathy is the treat 'like with like'. If the dog doesn't have a fever and diarrhoea (as in parvovirus) then giving a nosode for fever and diarrhoea is pointless.

Once immunity is established and the system has antibodies then it tends to stay there, immunity doesn't just disappear :)

Exactly. The theory of homoeopathy is the treat 'like with like'. If the dog doesn't have a fever and diarrhoea (as in parvovirus) then giving a nosode for fever and diarrhoea is pointless

Nosodes are supposed to work in the same manner as conventional vaccines, namely by stimulating antibodies to fight off infections.

>immunity doesn't just disappear

Immunity is proven to wane over time, in animals as well as humans.

>Nosodes are supposed to work in the same manner as conventional vaccines, namely by stimulating antibodies to fight off infections.

Not according to the Secretary of the BAHVS.

Not according to the Secretary of the BAHVS.
I wouldn't imagine they would at all :)
I think they advise yearly boosters and most of us know that is incorrect.

If you want to know about homeopathic nosodes and how they work (very similar but safer than conventional vaccines) just do a google and you should come up with some interesting facts.

It all comes down to how we want to protect our dogs, and what we believe to be safe, there is no way I wouldn't want my dogs protected, that is why they had conventional vaccine as a puppy, and I followed the advice of a eminent professor on that and also titre testing.

As I had to put my dogs into kennels and one of them had a low titre for distemper and the vet wouldn't do a single vaccine, in fact I couldn't find a vet in the area who was willing to get a single vaccine in for him, but all willing to give full booster which he clearly didn't need :(  I chose to go down the homeopathic nosode route and this is what I do whenever they need to go into kennels, I don't administer them myself, I take them to a homeopathic/conventional vet who believes them to be just as effective but safer than conventional vaccines. 

As I said, it is what each individual owner chooses to be the best method for their dogs :)

Immunity is proven to wane over time, in animals as well

this is where the titre testing comes in Jeangenie :)

>>Not according to the Secretary of the BAHVS.
>I wouldn't imagine they would at all. I think they advise yearly boosters and most of us know that is incorrect.

I don't understand. The BAHVS is the Association for Homoeopathic Veterinary Surgeons. If they, the experts in that field, don't believe that nosodes are vaccine replacements, why should anyone else? They're the professionals who can get struck off!

The BAHVS is the Association for Homoeopathic Veterinary Surgeons
whoops sorry, my mistake, I skim read it and thought I saw RCVS.

Thats precisely my point, i've been told the same by a top homeopathic vet that they do not provide immunity. Surely its just a waste of time?

A long time ago I adopted a litter of puppies and a nursing bitch from a local farmer who was going to drown the
puppies, when the puppies were 6 weeks old the farmer came and collected the bitch. my best friend was a homeopath he told me that there was a vacine for instead of the usual injections - because I wasn't planning to keep any of the pups I thought it would be
best to give them these homeopathic vacines and then leave it to the new owners to have their jabs done at their own vets
I was given tiny white pills and bottles of clear fluids and told how to administer them -

The pups got sick three days later and were diagnosed by the vet with parvo virus - I watched helplessly as all the pups died
they were all on drips and being nursed by the vets - the homeopathy didn't actually work at all - the vet told me tha the virus
could have been walked in on the farmers boots.

I would always vacinate - parvo virus is one of the most terrible things to suffer and die from.

Your pups were far too young to have the nosodes or even conventional vacs at 6 weeks old.  If you see my first post, I said that I was advised to have the first puppy conventional vaccine but to leave it until the pups were 12 weeks old as until then the puppy will have maternal antibodies, if you give the pups anything before that time you wipe out all protection leaving the pups wide open disease.  It might be worth you doing a search on here for Reddy and his littermates by Christine,  who were conventionally vaccinated at about 6 weeks and all caught parvo.

Also when having homeopathic nosodes, these really should be administered by a vet and not left to the owner, otherwise how can you be sure the pups are given the correct dosage?

After having a dog that died from an adverse reaction from a booster he didn't need at age 3, my main objective with my dogs now is to protect them as much as I am able without over vaccinating such as yearly boosters or indeed vaccinating at an early age.

It's a choice we all have to make ourselves and we all do what we believe to be the best for our dogs I am sure.
 

Thats precisely my point, i've been told the same by a top homeopathic vet that they do not provide immunity. Surely its just a waste of time?

My first thought here is why practice homeopathy if they don't believe it works?  (each to their own I guess).

They work in the same way as conventional vaccines by introducing a tiny amount of the disease into the system, but they don't have all the additives such as mercury etc that can be harmful given year on year.

But you can always titre test each year to establish if your dog has immunity, if so they don't need the booster :)

They believe homeopathy works (he is a very well known holistic vet), but as Jeangenie said they do not beleive that vaccinating with nosodes provides any lasting immunity. They use homeopathy to treat symptoms of an illness, not a disease they do not currently have.
I'm all for titre testing if owners believe it to be neccessary, but i think blindly using nosodes is a waste of time.