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Topic Dog Boards / Behaviour / Bolshy pup part three?? Aggressive towards mum when exited.
- By annieg3 [gb] Date 23.06.09 19:58 UTC
Havent posted about bolshy pup for ages. She is a darling really but is now 16 months old and still has lots of "personality". The problem I am having at the moment is mainly when we go through our bedtime routine. I let the three girls out. Mum, pup and other girl whilst I am making my brew. Then I let them back in and they go up to bed before me. I then go up and each girl is sitting in her bed waiting for her treat!! So cute, little heads waiting at the other side of my bed. Always makes me smile. The problem now is that when they realise its time for bed they get really wound up. Mainly bolshy pup but the others seem to "catch" it as well. They head for the door in a state of excitement really, as soon as they get outside, bolshy pup becomes aggressive to mum, biting her around the face (only token bites, no blood lost) then tear around the garden as one, running up and down the fence. Mum is now becoming more and more withdrawn from pup and shows her teeth whenever she comes near, even during the day when it doesnt happen. I have tried letting the first two out and holding pup back until she calms down, but still when I let her out, she seeks out mum and has a go at her. I do realise that I should put pup on a lead and accompany them outside and maybe then I will break the habit.?
I would really like to know why this is happening. It is causing knock on problems during the day now and there doesnt seem to be any affection between mum and pup any more. Maybe I am expecting too much.
I must add that where I live, there are badgers and foxes around at that time of night. they are beyond a fence but quite close as they are in a sort of miniature dell directly behind my house. In fact the badgers come for a feed in next door's garden every night, 364 nights a year (not bonfire night) as neighbour puts fruit out for them. Wondering if this might be the problem. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
- By bear [gb] Date 24.06.09 08:47 UTC
Don't know about the badgers being a problem but i think with regards the excitement it could be that your making too much of going to bed and having a treat. i always keep bed time very calm and never treat them before i go to bed.
My youngest dog could get silly at night so i let my other dogs out for a wee then when their back in i take the other one out on a lead, let her wee, then bring her straight back in so there's nothing exciting happening. my dogs sleep in the utility so slightly different but once their all in i send them to bed, no talking or eye contact and switch the light off then leave the room. 
I would think they just can't wait for the last bit of attention and treat before bed.
I would maybe look at giving the mum abit of time away from the pup, perhaps you could put a stair gate up and if she gets too excited take her to her bed or behind the gate for her to calm down. don't make this a punishment and give her a toy to chew etc.
My youngest pesters my 4 yr old schnauzer so i first try distract by calling and reward to take their mind of what their doing and if that doesn't work then i put my TT in the kitchen for a couple of minutes. She has learn now that she either plays when my other dog wants to or she want get to be with them.
The trouble with younger dogs is they have all this energy and can't control it the same as older dogs so they have to learn good manners .
I would stop letting the pup out with the other too at night for a while because my keeping her in then letting her out when their still out there is still exciting for her and she will see it as a game.
Does your pup know any commands? my youngest will respond to 'leave it'  and if she gets too excited with my other two then i say in a calm but firm voice for her to leave it and usually she will respond but the best way for my dog is to distact her with a ball or other toy and i play with her then she doesn't rely on the others for play time, in fact she will often bring her ball to me now if she's full of energy and leave the other dogs alone.of course she still plays with them to but i find if i burn off a lot of her energy then she is calm with the others and doesn't pester them.
In the morning i give my older dogs a quick walk and then i take the TT out for an hour to burn off the energy and when she comes back she is happy to leave them alone or just lie with them, then in the afternoon if she starts getting wound up i take her in the garden and play ball till she is calm. i'mnot saying you should do the same thing but i do think if a dog has used a ,ot of it's energy it tends to be calmer around other dogs and you don't get so much of the over excited behaviour.
i also take my TT to training classes and the mental said calms her down and also she learns commands that help me control her when she is excited. think it's important to have seperate time with all the dogs if you have time.
Don't know if this helps but it works for me but i would give the bed time thing a go, may take a while for them to realise that the routine has changed though.  
- By annieg3 [gb] Date 24.06.09 13:08 UTC
Good advice, as usual Bear. Yes the bedtime thing, you are probably right. It must be the treat that is winding her up. I do have a baby gate and 16 month old TT can clear it, no problem. Shes flies through the air. Its funny to see but defeats the object of having a gate. will perhaps have to find one of those taller gates. Will have to separate them totally for the last wee.
She is fairly well trained but have been a bit lapse lately due to illness etc. Will step that up and also defintely more exercise. that is probably the key too. I have a garden which she tears around at top speed but its not as stimulating as a walk, which she loves. she does get two walks a day and does relax after them. Do tend to have them all outside at playtime too. Her mum's favourtie thing is running for a ball and bolshy pup just takes it out of her mouth. Found a good way around that is to have a similar ball and throw them in opposite directions simultaniously which works well.
I have three tt's and of course they all have different personalities. This little tyke is definitely the most boisterous and down right cheekiest I have ever had. Such a lovely affectionate girl, as they all are but boy is she hard work.
thanks again
- By bear [gb] Date 24.06.09 15:37 UTC
I do the same thing with the balls, throwing two at the same time saves my youngest growling and pinching it off my old boy even though he's boss in the house (well at the moment anyway).
I've got a tall stair gate and that seems to work well as she can't get a run up in the utility and also her front feet can't reach the top. think i got it from Argos, wasn't expensive.
My TT hairs round the garden to but this only calms her down for so long,nothing works as well as a walk.
I've started doing training in the garden too,making her sit or lie for a minute and then calling her and rewarding. also heel work off the lead etc and this done for 15 minutes really tires her out.
i do find i can get away with one good walk a day in this hot weather, then play in the garden.My TT is the only active one in this weather but the others just want to crash out all day.
think i said before i'm training for my bronze award at the moment and this really is good for burning of energy and also she's pretty well trained now. IT's so much easier when they listen to you but even my girl does what she wants when she sees horse poo, what is it about dogs eating such horrible things.lol
Your right they are all different but thats what makes it such fun.
Good luck with some training i'm sure this will really help her calm down.
- By annieg3 [gb] Date 26.06.09 08:18 UTC
thanks again bear. Yes, more training is definitely the key. The plan was to show her and do agility as a puppy but events took over and it wasnt possible. We did do puppy class and she did really well. Came out top in her group but I need to do much more now and all the time as you do. They are amazing funny little dogs. I have never laughed so much since I had tt's.  Pup always seems to be walking around with something in her mouth, a doll, a remote, my underwear, with a cheeky look in her eyes and that waggy tail.
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