i dont know whether to rage with anger or to cry with frustration right now!Its re:one of my pups who went to a very carefully vetted famly 7 months ago....
I noticed I hadnt had the usual weekly emails and pix from the owner, so I emailed to see if all was ok, only to be told that the husband had moved out, hed left the hound with his wife as he was living temporarily with his daughter.....hes split with wife. He said he was having problems finding rented accomodation for him and his hound and that his wife was selling their 2 bassets and cavalier and wanted no more to do with dogs or him!!! I offered to take the pup back for a few months until he found somewhere to live, to help him out. His reply stunned me.......he said he was going to sell him!!! I reminded him about the contract and he said I could only have him back if I refunded his money for buying the pup!! and because the pup had been ill over the last few months and hed had to see a cardiologist, then he felt the contract wasnt void and I could take him to court if i wanted to challenge it...... I was so shocked I told him to bring the pup tonight and id give him a cheque. Cheeky git just rang back and said what guarantee would he get that the cheque wouldnt bounce! I told him that id trusted him with my pup so the least he cold do was trust me to not stop the cheque. I am so angry im shaking, but I dont see any other option if i want to make sure my pup doesnt end up in a rescue or sold on to god knows who :( I cant believe this nice family have come to this.
hell be here in 4 hours. Any ideas what to do when he gets here? just accept the situation?

Sadly I don't think there is much you can do. We all know that once a pup has been sold you have no further rights over it and if the owner wants to sell it, he can, despite any contract. It's happened to me in the past with cats that I've been forced to buy adults back to stop people from selling them on -sometimes it's all we ca do to ensure we get them back. If you want to play safe and find out if you have any options, give Trevor Cooper a call on his advice line, I'd have thought he would be used to similar questions. http://www.doglaw.co.uk

Sam, what a horrid situation to be in :-(

Firstly, if you have a contract was it written by a solicitor? If not then it might not be worth the paper it is written on.

It really depends on how you want to deal with the situation. You are obviously upset about the situation (and who wouldn't be?) BUT you also want your puppy back.

I would have someone with you when the pup is returned, just so that you have a witness.

I think  I would just give him the cheque and take the pup back and find another home for him.Doesn't sound like you have a lot of choice from what the man is saying. The only other thing is to re sell the pup and give him the money you get but it sounds like he wants money up front.

Make sure you get all paperwork back plus vet bills for his recent treament, you can then check up on whats been wrong with him.

Any ideas what to do when he gets here? just accept the situation?

I would just accept the situation because that way at least you will get your puppy back safely. Make sure he signs a contract of sale back to yourself before he leaves and if you can bite your lip until the deed is done I would try to do so - he might take offence and decide that he isn't going to sell him back to you. Of course once the papers are signed and the pup is in your hands you may wish to let him know how displeased you are.

yes i think you are right....i cant believe on one hand the guys saying how hes completely devastated having to "give" him back....but on the same hand hes prepared to sell to just anyone rather than give him free, back to the one person who cares most for the pup....its so illogical.....I dont think i can be responsible for what i say to him once the pups back in my hands. Any thoughts on what to put in the contract of sale back to me? Never had to do that before !

I think you just need a standard recipt of sale, after all he is not going to want the sort of contract you did when the pup was originally sold. Just something along the lines of Such and Such (Pups reg name) sold to (Your name ) For (amount) On (date) recieved from (His name) and maybe something along the lines of In full and Final settlement. I also would like a vets letter stating problems and treatment but he may get funny and the most important thing is the get pup back safe and sound. You can always get your vet to check him over.
One of the pitfalls of breeding, we do the best we can but the odd bad apple can always crop up. Hope he is well when you get him. It must be quite a worry for you Sam.
Aileen

I would just get the dog back even if I had to pay him back, if he wants to sell him then maybe he wouldnt care much who bought him and that would be an even more awful situation, no matter how much you vet a family and be happy for them to have one of your pups sometimes things change and people change to and not always for the better :-(  Hope your pup is back with you soon.

yes there is no question of us not paying for him/not getting him back.....suppose im lucky hell drive from mid wales and hasnt told me to go fetch him myself!!! I was just hoping for some thoughts on how to deal with him and how to prevent him deciding in 6 weeks time hes changed his mind again!!!

Sam, make sure that there is someone else in the house when he calls.

Give the pup to that 'other' and get them to put him away safely as soon as you possibly can .....cant be too careful.

Keep it strictly business and avoid emotions on either side.

Any outpourings or judgements can be done at a later date...get the pup..get rid of the man.

Good luck.

I think you just need a standard recipt of sale

Yes, that is all you need, have you reminded him that you need all the KC papers back too?  Otherwise he may fob you off forever and a day that he has lost them and needs to re-order etc, so call him to make sure you have microchip transfer and KC along with innoculation book, probably too late now looking at the time with travelling, but hopefully you were not in too much shock to remember those things, you have no option other than to offer the full refund Sam, too late for anything else.

Good luck hope that the pup is ok, and thank goodness you will get him back.

Make out a receipt:

Received the sum of £ *** for a Bloodhound dog puppy Called......................
Colour........Markings.........aged .........months

From Mrs  ******** of    .............. (your  address)

As a full and one off payment for the said dog.

Signed.......... ( His signature)

Address......................( his address)

Date...........                       (Ideally) witnessed by................................

Get the man to sign it, shut the door and lock it!!

That receipt looks good to me, as said before just keep it all short and sweet when he arrives and see him out the door asap.

No advise but hope it all goes smoothly for you.  Sometimes tough times can bring out the worse in people but we don't need to tell you getting your pup back any way nessecary is the main priority.

The recipt is a good idea.  And of course with a cheque, as long as he cashes it there is evidence that he has had the money that way.

 

Toolz receipt is spot on

If you can get him to sign it all well and good

If not just give him his money back (ie the amount he paid you at the time for the pup) and take back the pup.

It is unlikely that you will hear from him again.

I would include the words "the pup now unconditionally becomes the property of Sam"

Sam has the pup been transferred into their name?   I'm sure you can check online ;)  May new owners don't bother   if they haven't then it will be less to worry about re papers ;)

Try to contain yourself - it'll be better in the long run ;)  but I know how angry you must be feeling :( :(

Hope it all goes well

I've just checked and you can find out if the pup is still registered in your name with the KC ;)

yes i already thought of that and they have transferred him into their names unfortuntaley. im a bit worried if he turns up minus the kc docs (I did remind him at the time). We thought maybe tell him he can have half the money and the rest on receipt of docs, but he must leave the pup here.

no real advice sam but what a nightmare :( i hope you get everything sorted out as well as possible in these circs.

should things not go well with him selling abck to you do you have a waiting list for pups who might want to buy him? i know its unlikely that things will go that way but just a thought.

Don't know if this is too late but get a DUPLICATE receipt so that you each have a copy, ie YOU have his signature saying he has the money from you.
Chris

well itwent OK considering Wenever let him any further than the yard and to be fair, he was very upset about it all. My OH fussed the pup whilst he signed the kc docs and the receipt (he didnt take a copy of it so I have the only signed copy). Pups a bit scared by all the sights etc but afteer an hour in the garden with his 2 sisters, is now sleeping in a crate indoors.
He appears to have some problems (I have all the vets  report) and he is not saleable....but that wasnt the issue...just wanted him to be back with us. Might have to find him a nice "special needs" home now!!! Than ks again to all who helped with advise so quickly.

So glad you have your 'baby back home, imagine it will take a while for him to get settled after all the changes. Hope the vet problems are not too bad but at least he is back with you safely.
Chris

so pleased you have him back, :)

not in a good frame of mind tonight to say anything other than am really sorry to hear this id have done the same offered him the money , id just want my pup back but also would love to punch him on the nose as he hand poor boy over :-( sorry you'v had this happen but im sure you will make it right by your pup thats all that matters xx

Aaaah sam there was a bloodhound pup on e pupz yesterday with a heart murmur. Is the ad still there is that your boy? I can't check im online on my phone. I hope not i really do as i would feel really guilty for not alerting you i should have thought.

Glad he's back where he belongs Sam

Glad his back with you now.  At least now he will have a forever home weather it be with you or a very special family. :)

Well done Sam, the best possible outcome in the circumstances.

Really pleased that you have your pup back home again and hopefully he will settle in quickly. All the changes going on in his old home will probably have been very usettling for him so some stablility will be very welcome for him. I hope his health issues are minor ones.

So glad to hear he's back Sam.

Glad you've got him back home OK.

Had similar in my first litter, but not a break-up, just wanted to sell pup on, so they got their money back so I could get her back. :(

I'm happy for the pup that he has at least been returned to a knowledgable home.  I hope his health issues are manageable and none of his littermates are affected.

We struggled with a dog once - very dominant/aggressive temperament - the breeder's suggestions of tackling it with violence (thumping, slapping across the head/muzzle) towards the dog was never considered (!!!) - neither was her demand that she should have him back (despite the contract) as not only did I not want ANY animal subjected to that form of 'training' - I am certain she would have used him at stud (as he had done well in the ring).

It highlights that not only do some new owners turn out not as expected - so do some breeders. 

Certainly makes me read between the lines alot more closely now!

Really nice to hear of a concerned breeder when so many seem to get a bad name. A friend of ours who has a lot of allergies was really great with our dog. As she had been desperate for a dog for years decided to go for the same breed. we tried to get her to wait until our breeder had pups available and explained that coats differ within all breeds but instead she went to a very well known breeder in the north of England who sold her a lovely bitch for an incredible amount of money. She was extremely allergic to the pup and called us within days in tears as the breeder wanted absolutely nothing to do with her or the pup and said that the pup was hers now and she didn't care where it went and even advised her to put it online for sale!
Now I realise that some breeders can't take pups back for reasons other that ill health but this breeders showed that she was just in it for the money and kept ranting on about how much it would cost her to take the pup back. I found the bitch a really good home with an experienced owner of the breed so things worked out not too badly in the end.
Would be nice if the breeder had shown even a fraction of the concern you are showing for your pup Sam.

Only just seen this thread... poor you, so glad you managed to get him back without too much bother... It's heartbreaking when it happens.

I gifted (gave for free) a puppy once years ago to what I thought was a friend, only to next find out they'd sold it to someone they didn't know (and not as a pet)... I was heartbroken but could do nothing about it.

So glad you have got the puppy back.

Now I realise that some breeders can't take pups back for reasons other that ill health

To be honest I think most of us here are of the view that if you cannot take a dog back at any time for any reason, then you should not breed. It's awful to hear of breeders that turn dogs they've bred away. :( I had an entire male dog returned to me aged 18 months, his owner was moving abroad and for various reasons it was not a good idea to take him with her. It wasn't entirely easy to have back an adult male and integrate him with my dogs (and as it turned out he cannot be anywhere near my cats), but there was never any question of NOT doing so.  I don't normally kennel my dogs (none are right now) but have one empty kennel available all the time just in case as you never know what is around the corner.

the issue here is that i would always, (and in the past have done so) take a pup back no matter what age....I have a really well worded contract....ok i know on here we know they are valuless but I still have one.....Ive had 3 come back over 18 years of breeding.....and there has never been a problem like there was this time ....where I was basically told that if I didnt give them all their money back then they would sell him to someone else :( :(
Of course I paid up and yes it was bordering on blackmail as he knew how I felt about my pups. When he came last night i was calm and polite and actually felt sorry for him as his life has been turned upside down in a few weeks with his wife leaving etc.....HOWEVER......that all changed this morning when a concerned cd'er sent me a link to an ad on THAT website.....for MY PUPPY!!!! IM afraid I "exploded on impact" and emailed him telling him everything i thought about him and the way he had behaved and didnt hold anything back!!!
(with hindsight maybe I shouldnt have sent that mail as Im a bit worried now about the guys mental state and the possibile reprocussions.)

At least you've got the pup back, nothing he can do about that now. Just goes to show, doesn't it -you'd probably never have been told if you hadn't been on the ball and contacted them. :( (I've just seen the ad.)

it was onlyb ecause I hadnt heard for a month, how he was doing,or had updated photos, that I even emailed to check all was fine .....I didnt know about the ad until today. When he told me he was having probs at home and couldnt find anywhere to live with the pup, I offered to have him (the pup) here free of charge until he found some permanent accomodation but he refused the offer and said hed rather sell him :( I the same breath he was saying he was more upset losing the pup than his wife...... none of its really logical and I still cant work out whats going on! Main thing is pups here now.

glad you got him back, didnt read whole thread but think i would have punched him first then given cash and made him sign a receipt

What a HORRIBLE thing for you to find out.  But at least puppy is safe with you, and you can find a caring and knowledgable home for him that will be able to deal with his health problems.  Goodness knows where he could have gone and to whom!  Thank goodness you got a feeling to get in touch with the guy - heaven sent I believe.

just to let you know hes safe in a  lovely new home with another bloodhound now. The ex owner had the nerve to ring me and ask if he could have him back!!! Im just so glad we actually bought him back now, as it makes the situation so much clearer to him, in that he cashed the cheque and signed a letter to say he was unconditionally selling him etc. thanks to all who advised. Oh and for the smart alec who pmd me suggesting I would SELL him to recover my expenses :( :( i can assure you we did not sell him to his new home and when you take into account all the costs of transfers and home visits, hes cost me at least a grand (£1000) but I dont care.

> i can assure you we did not sell him to his new home and when you take into account all the costs of transfers and home visits, hes cost me at least a grand (£1000) but I dont care.

Which means that you can sleep with a clear conscience.  :-)   I know I would move heaven and earth to get one of mine back in those circumstances.  So very glad that you can have peace of mind, knowing you always do right by your puppies.  And well done you!  :-)

> just to let you know hes safe in a  lovely new home with another bloodhound now.

Thanks for update glad all has ended well ;-)

Brilliant news Sam, sorry the poor lad had to go through being rejected 1st, but sounds like he has fallen on his feet. The new owners gain & the old ones loss. Cheek of the man asking for him back !