Down the twitten by us there are some lovely wild flowers.  Every so often the council come along and strim the sides and so cut the flowers.  Would it be illegal for me go down the twitten and dig up some of the wild flowers?  I know that you cannot dig up the bluebells in woods and wondered if the same applied.

why not phone the council and ask them.Is twitten a local word,what does it describe?

Don't know what a twitten is!  That must be a local word!  Our council keeps cutting back where long grass may impede the view for cars but it leaves the rest to flower - when the wild flowers have seeded then they cut the lot.  If you want to grow wild flowers in your garden there are plenty of web sites that sell them - often in a grass mixture - after all that is the habitat that the flowers favour - they may not survive in your garden so I don't advise digging them up.  

> Would it be illegal for me go down the twitten and dig up some of the wild flowers?

Yes it is illegal

Under the Wildlife and Countryside Act, 1981, which covers Britain, it is illegal to uproot any wild plant without permission from the landowner or occupier. Uproot is defined as to 'dig up or otherwise remove the plant from the land on which it is growing', whether or not it actually has roots; and, for the purposes of the legislation, the term 'plant' includes algae, lichens and fungi as well the true plants - mosses, liverworts and vascular plants. Similar general protection is given to all plants in Northern Ireland, under the Wildlife (Northern Ireland) Order, 1985.

Thank you for your reply dogs a babe.  A twitten is a local word for alley way.  It seems such a shame that the council come and cut these lovely flowers down.  Its not that I dont want to buy wild flowers its just that I wanted to save them from the dreaded strimmer

Truthfully if it was me...i'd just do it.

> Truthfully if it was me...i'd just do it.

Ditto.  Its amazing what a dog poo bag comes in handy for!

if they are strimmed back they do grow again whereas if you steal them then only  you get the benefit from them and the general public dont...thats if they take to your gartden conditions
please leave them alone in the wild wether they are  to be strimmed or not.....

In our area alleys are called follies!

If the wild flowers come up, year after year after being strimmed, then the council is strimming at the correct time - seeds will fall to the ground and reseed and the foliage from bluebells will have died down now, but the bulbs will remain dormant until next spring.

If you want to recreate a wild meadow or woodland garden in your garden you can buy seeds/bulbs from reputable nurserymen who have ethically-sourced them - here are two websites :-

www.wildflowershop.co.uk and shop.wwf.org.uk/PurchasingCriteria.aspx

And then the wild can be left to seed free :)

I lived in Lancashire for a while and alleys were known as 'ginnels'.
Funny old language isn't it.
I agree with leaving the wildlife to be husbanded as it is.....
Karen

I live in Salford and here in this bit of the city alleys are called entries.A couple of miles up the road they're called ginnels.I love localised terms.

my council has planted some really lovley rose bushes in our park anyone know how or where you would cut one so as to root and grow your own im sure it can be done but dont know where or how,

> anyone know how or where you would cut one so as to root and grow your own im sure it can be done but dont know where or how,

Chelzeagirl, ring the council and ask what they are - then buy your own.  If everyone thought it was OK to take cuttings you'd have baldy twigs not lovely rose bushes :)

thanks for that but i already did my OH works for the council cheers and he knows the gardeners well even they didnt no as they were planted last year and no one seems to no what kind they are ,

i hardly think by me taking a lil bit that in going to do anymore damage then the kids that play football do when they play on that patch and theirs an awful lot of roses their ,

anyway theirs a  recession on i aint got the money to go out and buy rose bushes, dont be such a spoil sport :-)

oh and dont say to ask the gardeners how to cut it as they aint got a clue none are trained around here they just clean and clear,

Chelzeagirl.. does your area have freeshare list.. I have noticed recently that many of our local freesharers are greenfingered and offering seeds, cutting plants that they have collected/thined out.. may be an idea to put a 'wanted' notice in.. you may be surprised by how many people are willing to share with you.. I have just given away two small potted up budlia shoots.. which came from another budlia last year

not sure what that is but their not many people with gardens around here its mostly flats and not alot of green fingered people live in them,
iv gone to a garden web site now anyway and  have read a little of how to do it just want to find out the best time of year to do it,
i am in a house but am across a main road from the estate yet i still have to pay a service charge to live here for the upkeep of the estate across the road so i feel its about time i got my moneys worth,

what lovely regional variations there are about. I am afraid down here in south london/surrey borders and alley is an alley as far as know  how boring.

They are called alleys here as well - although we do have a local alley called Squeezegut Alley. One end of the alley is so thin you literally have to squeeze your way through it and some won't make it through :-)

http://www.seewhitstable.com/Whitstable_alleys.html

I think that's a fantastic name,I hope no idiot on the council is allowed to change it.There used to me an area near me,in the city,called Throstlenest Lane-so lovely and so poetic.And now it's called Pomona Strand,it makes you want to weep!!

well where im from the Front Line is called the Front Line because NO POLICE WILL ENTER IT between 12am friday night till 7 am sunday morning , unless that is you have been shoot dead or are bearly breathing then it is  the Ambulance Forces who will come to your aid and police will only come if it envolves  Gun shots or knife crime , 
otherwise Your On Your Own Mate!!! lol,
so Yes I'd have to say to that , I think it's A Simply Splendid Regional variation on these boards here gives me hope that there are nice places and people out their and I  strive to get to one of those places one day and hope I will be out of this Hell on Earth , 

I have friend who own Carters steam fair http://www.carterssteamfair.co.uk/aboutus.html
and I worked for my friends for a good few year on the Baller and i Loved it was fantastic to get away from here and see nice places and its the cheapest fair i know they visit all nice places and i loved driving to them and meeting decant and nice people while i was with them, all im affraid i meet here are not the sort of people id want to be around,

What a place to live...................at the Front Line!
I love coming to London, to visit, but I am sure it would be a different story if that was where I lived.
Do you get away on holiday?
Karen ;)

we go to my mums caravan in kent its right on the sea front and dogs are allowed on the beach so its great for them,
gotta say that my mums 64 years old and has been born and raised around this area but when her van shuts for the winter (November to March)
she comes to stay with me and she does NOT leave the house for the whole 4 months shes here she just cant face going out around here,
she is disabled she lost her leg at 4 years old and broke her hip 4 years ago so needs a stick to walk and has to take it slow but around here when we did go out on a shopping trip once people would walk right into her knocking her over one guy kicked her stick from  under her he said sorry but its just like people here dont see you their all on their own mission to get where ever and they barging past you all the time,

even my son whos 22 in a few weeks he's a dancer and sometimes more often is between jobs he would be intilted to get job seekers allowance at times but he refuses to go to local job centre to claim as its right on the front line,
he went to Russia before xmas to teach for unidance spent a month out their and he said he felt safer on the streets their than he does here, he's off to Kackastan to teach on monday and cant wait to get out of here lol says it all really dont it lol

lol i took this photo at the gate of our local park where their was a fun day being held another thing that says alot about our area, Hmmmmm

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and this is the library where the poor little  Damilola Taylor was a 10-year-old schoolboy who died in November 2000 He was on his way home from an after-school computer class.
He was found in a stairwell bleeding from a thigh injury caused by a broken bottle.

Four teenagers went on trial for his murder
Gangs of youths on the Peckham estate where Damilola died made lives miserable for the people who lived there.
Some gangs can be violent with many members carrying weapons such as knives.

Some members of a gang on the Peckham estate had convictions for theft, assault and drugs.

It is often difficult to bring these gang members to court as they are so young.

And many people are too frightened to give evidence against them.

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i live opersite this estate and can tell you it is like a war zone around here when you see a gang of 30 or more lining up outside your house as they did one night here and they were after the squatters who were 2 doors from my house i can tell you know it really scares the life out of you, its time like that you want iron shutters on your windows,
the council can plant lovley flowers , knock down the most run down estates and rebuild as they have done but it makes not the slightest bit of differance as the scum of the earth still live here,

and when this

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/103/32671094343f9731dcfb.jpg

is part of your kids school uniform i would think its time to worry Hmmmmmm!!!

its a stab vest for thoses who wernt sure,
and each school around here has their own ones with logos on and all,

Chelzeagirl, it sounds like these roses are one of the few pretty things around your area. Please leave them for others to enjoy too and either ask on a freecycle list for some cuttings or just buy some. Such comments as 'there's a recession' and 'time I got my monies worth' could be used by anyone to justify theft!

i see what your saying but i am not talking about digging up the whole plant i only want a 12 inch stem from one of many half of which have been trampled on by the kids anyway at least in my garden they will survive,

sorry if im missing something but would it kill the rose bush if i cut a stem off ,

> is part of your kids school uniform i would think its time to worry

It's an absolute disgrace on society when children have to be kitted out with protection against being stabbed.It makes me sick that lowlifes  are running certain estates and getting away with it.It's no surprise that there is no respect for the police in these areas.It's usually a relatively small number of couldn't-care-less-i'll-do -what-I-like types,but OMG those few seem like an occupying army.The sentencing in this country for violent offences is just a  very unfunny joke!It's well past time it was all reviewed and changed to take into account the devastating effect violence has on the lives of the victims.How many times have we seen offences involving mony being punished well in excess of offences involving even extreme violence.

it is sad that things like this have to be made and are in the shops as part of the uniform but it just shows you what sort of world we live in ,

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this one is for my old secondary school
http://img229.imageshack.us/i/1908080955.jpg/

im glad when i was their the only thing i had to worry about was if Walworths had my size in stanfords,

i concider myself very luck that i have managed to keep my sons away from the gangs around here with my oldest i sent him to a school out of the area,

but my youngest is starting secondary in september and i had a job getting in anywhere as he is Autistic and needs a special needs school , after finding a good one i am pleased he got a place their but sadly means i will have to be taking him thu the front line every day and i will have to pick him up also theirs no way you could let him go and come home alone , he would be to much of an easy target for the gangs that hang around at the library,

Oh my God!
Do children really get these as an option as part of the school uniform?
This is a national scandal!
Are you able to move from the area or is there any thing that can be done at all......

I looked at some of the other pictures, is that chelsea..the mum...okay the white terrier, she is gorgeous...

KAren

yeah thats mum with the black ear and her mum is the the one with the eye patch,

only chance of moving is to exchange and lets face it who in their right mind would swap any 3 bed house in kent for my 3 bed house here lol,

women on other side of street has a 6 bedroom house 3 storey and shes been trying to move via an exchange for years she is willing to downsize to a 2 bed and still cant get out of here ,

I knew one when I was a child looked just like her , she was called Sophie and I always call them sophie dogs.....
She really does look just gorgeous.
Karen

thanks shes a good girl when she want to be lol, i think she likes to keep me on my toes, her sons a lil devil but a cute lil devil lol

Okay...when I win top prize on the national lottery you will be right up high on my list of things to do.
I will buy you a nice place somewhere in an area of your choice.

Karen :)

wow thank you very much :-) and if i win the jackpot first the world will be your oyster anything you want i shall treat you to, :-)

how about that old boy then who won the millions was it 25 mil something like that if i was ever lucky enough to win something like that i figure 1 million is enough for anyone so i'd like to give the other 24 to those who i think need it, to be able to change 24 peoples lives in that way would be so great ;-)