MarianneB i am so shocked with all of the info i have collected today - i cant believe the homework needed to be done before buying a cav - i feel quite stupid and naieve now, but once i have them and not done all of this what can i do?
I suppose i just have to hope and pray nothing is wrong with any of their history's i was very lucky with my lab and hope i am with these  as well, i do thank you all for all of your info and help but i did feel i was being got at by some - how much do people actually pay for their cavs if mine were so cheap at £350 and £400 please?

i thought every one just wanted a dog, picked what kind paid for it, got any relevent info such as food fleaing and worming , took care of getting a good vet and insurance policy and that was it - there seems to have been so much more to have done buying a cav but i truthfully didnt know - i wish i did as i wouldnt like to lose any of them sooner rather than later or put them through unessesary pain and suffering, and i genuinly think now, even if i would have got all of the info where tests are concerned there is still no guarentees of nothing still happening if you look at it that way -  buying all dogs are sort of gambles - dont you think so?

Everyone is right about the breeders though - if i was one i could never sell to anyone i didnt think would take very good care of them - nor would i sell too early just to get the money as people can put deposits down reserving the pupp while the mother takes care till they are old enough - not like in maybe my situation - but both hoomes i bought them from seemed genuine good breeders and the dogs seemed happy - i wouldnt have bought them otherwise - its a bit like the rescue dogs, someone always takes them in - do you know what i mean - reply please x

That much care actually needs to be taken when getting any breed.

If buyers did that then these puppy producers and commercial puppy farmers would go out of business and dogs would be much healthier and happier and their owners have a lot less heartache and expense in the long run.

When people buy cars, washing machines etc they read up on the models etc, but it seems when buying a family companion who they hope to have around at least 10 years, any old pup will do.

Of course with living creatures there are no hard guarantees and even with the best efforts taken by the most conscientious breeder  things can go wrong, but generally they are far less likely to end up with a sick, bad natured and untypical example of the breed if brought from a bred enthusiast rather than someone who just produces pups to sell.

Millierooney you say "> its not my problem and fault that there are bad breeders about youu make it sound like its my fault !"

Unfortunately every person who buys a puppy without first having done their homework and checking out what health tests have been done on the parents/seen the full and correct documentation necessary for the breed concerned does continue to finance these bad greedy breeders :(

It's done now though - you have two - potentially uninsurable - puppies.   They have captured your hearts and they will hold your wallets hostage.   Let's hope that you don't have heartbreak from them.

From what you have posted, I doubt very much whether you will have any redress from either of the breeders/dealers.  

I just hope that anyone reading this thread who is thinking about getting a puppy will take notice.

> Millierooney you say "> its not my problem and fault that there are bad breeders about youu make it sound like its my fault !"

You're right it's not your fault that there are bad breeders about, sadly there will always be people wanting to make money the easy way :(

But it is your problem, as it is for anyone wanting to buy a pup :(   Should either (or both) pup need veterinary attention for diseases which could have been tested for, it'll be a problem for your pocket too :( :(  I doubt the breeder would be interested :(

This is why people on this forum advise doing the research on each breed before buying a pup ;) if carelessly bred pups don't sell, the careless breeders will not make money and will go find an easier way to make a living ;)

Hoping for your sake that these pups will bring you more pleasure than pain ;)

I know little about cav but have read all your comments with interest. maybe what we need to do now is help millerooney to get the best for her pups and her. I feel from her posts that she intends to keep the pups whatever others may think so maybe we need to pool all the expereinece and knowledge you all have and help her out. We all make mistakes its learning from them and how to go forward. Does it really matter now she has them if they are  kc registered and she only has them as pets.  she needs every bit of money for the best insurance she can get for what is insurable and to pay other vets bill.

Personally I would get them both to the vet asap (I think you may have done this) get everything treated as needed and get insurance for what you can.
Do you have a good helpful vet you can trust if not find one fast.
Good luck

Personally I would get them both to the vet asap (I think you may have done this) get everything treated as needed and get insurance for what you can.

The problems likely to occur won't show themselves for a few years. I don't know if any insurance companies will pay for medication for life but it's something I've been trying to find out myself.

> the attention,, there are 3 of us, me, hubby and 17 yr old daughter we all pay all day attention to then as hubby got one monnth off work, i dont work and my daughters on study leave - while one is one knee the other is getting love and attention off another i feel it has been better having two - its hard work - but 2 rewarding not to do it - but thanks for the 15 mins apart tip, they do sometimes sleep diff times in tthe day so while one is playing withh us the other has time alone asleep then the other time alone with one of us but i am glad you told me that i will make sure they both gett it if i can x

this does not just go for playing but for training to. you will need to be very vigilent with them together as like kids they will egg each other on.

> omg, not evveryone knows all of the ins and outs of suchh things tho - tthats not right to say to a buyer, is it reallly?

this is why research is vital before buying a pup :(

you have been taken in this time, you'll know better for the next. all you can do now is do the bet for them as you don;t want to return them.

for anyone else reading the thread in web land, please please take note!

when researching getting a puppy start by very carefully choosing a breed to suit your lifestyle- if you've a tiny flat and aren't into excersize a collie isn't for you for example.

read as much as possible about the breed in books and online.

go to shows and meet the breed and its breeders. from their info think again if they will suit you.

consider which type in the breed you like and chat to more breeders. find out whos dogs you like, find out the necicerry health tests and breeders who do them and hope like hell that breeder will like you and feel you are suitable to take one of their pups.

tell them of your interest then wait till they have a pup for you.

>Does it really matter now she has them if they are  kc registered and she only has them as pets. 

millierooney is not the only person reading this thread, though.  It is important that members advise about the right way to go about buying a pup for the OPs sake (so she doesn't make the same mistake again next time around) and for anyone who happens to stumble upon this thread.  Champdogs threads often show up on Google searches and the information contained herein may just prevent somone from finding themselves in the same predicament in future.

there are 3 of us, me, hubby and 17 yr old daughter
Do make sure that everyone understands a bitch's hormonal cycle and knows when Millie is likely to conceive when she's in season.  It would be a disaster if Rooney made her pregnant.  It might be a good idea to put him in kennels or send him to a friend or family member when she's in season as it would be easy for someone to forget to shut a door. :(

thankyou for your kind words - both puppys have been to my own vets i have had for the past 12 years with my last labrador - they gave them a full bill of health and said they were adorable - thats when i took them both 2 seperate times for their injections - i did take them to the vets within 2 days of buying each pup - i dont know why anyone doesnt think they havent beeen seen-
the vets i go to are fantasic they were great with my lab - and they know me well - i have also now got whole of life insurance which i telephoned and got for them both today -

xx

yes the insurance companies do that for sure - most insurances only cover for a 12 month period and if a dog has had a problem in the first 12 months then it cannot be covered again the year after - unless you get the cover for life - like petplan and healty pets and pet guard etc - x

o yes i no - i have realised though - millie is very easy to train and she makes it easier to train rooney as he always follows her lead x