hello i bought my ruby boy cavv king charles and the breeder said he was 8 weeks old - his eyes were very blue and i nver thought anything of it - but since looking on all the cavs sites all cavs have brown darkk eyes like my 11 weeks old blenheim girl pup - his eyes have now started to changge colour looking darker every day at 99 weeks old - iis that normal please - i know babies eye colour changes up too 6 weeks old but i didnt know about dogs and how old they would be if they did - does anyone know pls x

At 9 weeks old your Cavalier boy should have brown eyes, if they were still blue then he is much younger that 9 weeks. What do his KC papers give as his age ?

blue eyes change to brown far younger than 9 weeks, thats very worrying as it suggests he's very young.

did the person who sold you him know you had an 11 week old?

where would i be able to look online to see when eye colour changes i have tried google but cant find info no where about it looked on loads of sites - vets never said anything either by the way they never noticed they just vacc him his first parvo - the breeder gave him parvo vacc abouut 6 weeks old i think there was a litle sticker on the info i got from her to show my vet - he said it was a useless vacc as it was too early as pup would already or stilll be getting whatever from mum but some breeders just like to get it done for some unknown reason he said x

Are you a breeder pls, do you know what age they change colour?

What shade of blue are his eyes? Are they a dark slate-grey sort of colour, or a bright blue like this?

i'm not a breeder no, but i've helped with pups. jeangenies posts a good one to get more info on whats going on

I'm not a breeder but I have had Cavaliers since 1997 & if you look at this series of photos you will see that my puppy's eyes were brown long before 8 weeks old

Cavaliers(ideally after they have been titre tested)shouldn't have their first vax until they are at least 11 weeks old & I prefer 12 weeks

Even on a pup with a lot of white, I'd expect the eyes to be brown like this by eight weeks. If they're the bright blue as in my earlier link, they'll never go brown, and he might have the associated hearing problems.

Cavalier pups with the potential to have the correct eye colour in adulthood, will have navy blue eyes until about 6 weeks.
The brown (permanent colour) will start to come in from around the pupil until it spreads outwards to fill the entire iris.

they were a lovely sky blue i loved them but then yesturday they went a bit greeny brown and today they are alot browner i bet tomorow they will be dark brown like millie's

my rooney looks just liike your 8th picture if you count from the bottom of your pics the one in a hand he is just like that pic its his twin lol!

what is tiitre testing pls?

milllie- when i took he to the vets for her vaccs the vet knew she was then 1o weeks old and didnt say anything except she was fit and well whichh she was at the time and said to comeback for the booster in 3 weeks time

rooney the vet knew he was 9 weeks old again the vet checked him over said he was fit and well and he had a diff vacc to millie and could come back in 2 weeks time -

How do you put pics on here pls i didnt know how to send you one?

if you have had cavs since 97 have you ever heard of the vulgas/valgas patella where the knee is dislocated from maybe birth gene deficiancy?

well 1 day after having millie the vet told us she needed an operation as she had it around £1000 costs i told her i would talk to the breeder - he gave me alot of rubbish really as we tried to keep things nice and sweet he tried to tell us she had been dropped only 1 week before we bought her and she had been seen by a vet and was given the ok but had no forms to proove this as his wife wasnt home - huh! then now 2 weeks after we are stilll trying to get him to get her sorted out as she was his responsibility not mine as i thought i had bought a perfect pup when he didnt even inform us she had even bee dropped till we told him about what the vet said and he has played stupid ever since -but eventually i have had to tell him that we know that he would have known she had this deformity without tellling us and asked him to get her sorted we are now waiting for him to ring tomorow - again!! like i say it has now been 2 weeks messing with hiim tthats why we havent insured her yet - as our vets noticed it and would have to put it on the insurance form - how horrible is that of someone to con them, any info of what to do pls x

o yes i can see, his eyes have nearly changed to full brown now - i am at the vets with millie tomorow i willl ask them and see what they say abbout rooneys eyes changing colour and if they can tell his real age x i donnt think he will get the bad hearing as they have changed colour now it hhas been over the past  days they have been changing it was really weird to see as i thought - i knew babies eyes changged before 6 weeks but i never thought about pups and dogs eyes changing - i had a black lab for 12 years and she sadly got ill for about 1 month then passed away with very low vit b1 dificientcy and they think she may hhave had bowel cancer that was dec 26th so it took me about 5 months to get another pup so now i keep a very close vigil on them and joined this site and more info pls reply sharron x

Did Rooney's breeder know that you already had a young puppy? I don't know a single reputable breeder who'd sell a puppy knowing those circumstances - they all want 'their' babies to have all the attention they need and deserve.

Oh Sharron, after your upset with your black lab, I do hope that these pups have been bred from health tested parents?

yes i took her with us she kkept saying how tiny she was even though she was 17 days older if his age was right -

yes i know i would feel the same x

thank you so much, yes i know i worry so so much about them because of my lab -

i havve just emaiiled rooneys breeder for his tests and parents tests, ill see what she replies and if she posts them to me x

why wouldnt you think the breeder of rooney wouldnt have sold me rooney because i already had millie please, we told her roonney was a playmte for millie - is that not right of the breeder then pls x

isnt it good to have 2 puppys at the same tiime x

>isnt it good to have 2 puppys at the same tiime x

No, not unless you have enough staff to be able to give each pup the attention it needs to grow up to be an acceptable companion. For every 5 minutes they spend together they need to spend 15 minutes apart from each other and alone with you.

i havve just emaiiled rooneys breeder for his tests and parents tests, ill see what she replies and if she posts them to me x

You should really have asked to see proof of all health testing when you were at the breeder's house. It's essential with cavaliers to know the status of not only the parents but all four grandparents as well.

Have you bought Cavalier pups without asking about heart, eye and syringomyelia tests?

o right, never realised that - they are always playing together always - they love one and other before we got rooney for millie she seemed bored and was never off your knee but now she explores all over with him in tow making it all the more exciting as she leads and he follows - the attention,, there are 3 of us, me, hubby and 17 yr old daughter we all pay all day attention to then as hubby got one monnth off work, i dont work and my daughters on study leave - while one is one knee the other is getting love and attention off another i feel it has been better having two - its hard work - but 2 rewarding not to do it - but thanks for the 15 mins apart tip, they do sometimes sleep diff times in tthe day so while one is playing withh us the other has time alone asleep then the other time alone with one of us but i am glad you told me that i will make sure they both gett it if i can x

omg no - i hope she photo copies them and posts them to me x

And neither of them came covered by insurance from their breeders?

sadly yes, i was over whelmmed with love when i saw them both seperate times, sadly paperwork was not a massive deal to me as i hhad my lab for 12 years, i didnt really have my thinking head on tilll after - i was glad i just thouught of gettiing recipts, pedigree papers of 3 generations and food, vaccs,worming and flea info i only paid £350 for millie annd £400 for roony is that good??

Far too cheap for well bred puppies. :(  Are you planning to mate them together?

no, am ii stupid or what?

all the thinking clearly came after i had bought them, omg i havvent got this and that - no 6 weeks free insurance and no health checks - yet !! i am going to try to get them but i dont know now, see i now where they live theyy are not going to want to say no to me surly for the health checks records as i can just go down and ask face to face why not and no one watts confrontation especially me - but i also dont want to be made a fool of - do you knnow what i mean

Are they both KC registered?

really, the average price was around £450 - £500 around where i live - i dont know yet - i never matedmy llab she never had a litter x

no they arent - but apparently i can get it myself - millies breeders have already sent off for her kc papers after i paid the xtra fee so she will be but i will have to see about rooney x any tips how to do it and how much it will cost pls x

apparently i can get it myself
Only the breeder can register puppies.  And as it only costs £12 to register each puppy, a reputable breeder wouldn't charge any more........

I would suggest that you get them both insured immediately and the bitch spayed after her first season. :(

i just wanted to buy them as pets for comfort and to love - after my labb passed away 5 months ago thats all- not for showing or annything else - didnnt think i had to get all of this info and xtras done as well i knew i would be insuring them for whole of life with a good insurance comp like with my lab but again that was it x

I hope you haven't made a huge mistake. Those prices are extremely cheap and cheap puppies usually means breeders that have been cutting corners. Cavaliers should be heart tested every year, parents should both be at least 2 ½ years old when bred from the first time, ideally older, and their parents in turn should be at least 5 years old and still heart clear. Without this, the risk of any cavalier developing MVD (Mitral Valve Disease, a heart problem) is much bigger early on in life than for puppies with tested parents and grandparents. 50 % of all cavaliers have a heart murmur by age 5, and many only live to 6 years of age when the breeders haven't bothered with the testing to ensure their dogs develop it as late in life as possible. (Sadly it's very rare to find a Cavalier that NEVER gets MVD.) My own cavalier is 14 years old, he's lived with his heart problem on daily medication since he was 7 -he's been lucky because he developed it late in life (good breeder) and so he's lived to a very good age indeed. Then there is the issue of Syringomyelia which is also a problem in the breed and can be very serious, and again the good breeders will test their dogs -this requires MRI scanning. Finally Cavaliers that are bred from should be eye tested every year, and also have their kneecaps checked by a vet before being bred from.

>no they arent - but apparently i can get it myself

No you can't. Only the breeder can register them, and it only costs £12 per puppy.

o can they - milliies breeder said it was only £12 but the rooneys breeder never said anything but i have sincce looked on her advert again and she was askiing £50 xtra for the kc papers how bad is that then i will email her again and ask her how muchh she can get him kc'd for now then him and millie will be both reg eh?

What's the point of buying possibly unhealthy pups?  Even if the cost is covered by insurance, why have the emotional distress and encourage people (sorry, I can't bring myself to call them breeders) to produce poor quality pups to sell for money? 
Buying cheap pups can often end up costing MUCH more in the end. :(

Probably the wisest course of action is to return one puppy to the breeder and concentrate on the other; the potential expense and heartache of having two sickly puppies from untested parents doesn't bear thinking about. :-(

Buying cheap pups can often end up costing MUCH more in the end. :-(

Especially Cavaliers -buying heart medication for two dogs wouldn't be cheap. :(

yes i may be i had my lab spayed x

milliie has that valgus fontella i cant believe the breeder sold me her without tellling me but i am trying to get him to sort it - i will try to get them all extra checks myself once i have insured them as from tomorowas i have now got quotes online i will ring in the morning annd get them covered and see what i can do after that x

yes i know that now but still wouldnt give any of them up i would rather go bank rupt first hopefuly when covered for whole of life insurance i can do something about the testings and all x

i know but i couldnt do that now - i am getting themm insured for whole lives so that should cover their costs in the future x

Insurance won't cover the valgus fontella because it's a pre-existing condition!  And it won't cover any testing either.

i can do something about the testings and all
It's the parents and grandparents that need to be tested, not the puppies.........

yes i know that now but still wouldnt give any of them up i would rather go bank rupt first
Yep, that's what puppy farmers and backyard breeders bank on. :(

i know all of this now - but if i didnt buy them surely someone else would have - its not my problem and fault that there are bad breeders about youu make it sound like its my fault ! i only bought pet puppys for companionship - i willl cope with the emotional stress if i have to to care and look after my pups now with the help of the insurance

its not my problem and fault that there are bad breeders about youu make it sound like its my fault !
It's buyer beware I'm afraid. 
All the time that people are prepared to give them money, then they will continue to produce cheap sub-standard puppies.  If nobody bought their pups, then they would stop producing them. :(

yes i know thats why the breeder is supposed to be ggetting her op done from his end not my responsibilty he sold me her iin good faith she was fit and healthy thenn my vet told me she had thatt and i knew i couldnnt insure it affterr she had seen and said thatt to me

yes and if i can get copies of the grandparennts and parents tests that will be ok then wont it?

yes and if i can get copies of the grandparennts and parents tests that will be ok then wont it?
That would be great, but .............

omg, not evveryone knows all of the ins and outs of suchh things tho - tthats not right to say to a buyer, is it reallly?

how do we know yet that any of my puppies are ill or have any history, are you just assuming to make me feel bad and worried more than  already am??

Like I said, 50 % of all Cavaliers will have a heart murmur by the age of 5. Make that 99% by the age of ten if they make it that far. The ones that live a normal life span are those where the breeders have gone to great lengths to ensure the heart murmur appear as late as only possible in life. Those that haven't will produce pups that will start showing signs of heart failure before they're even 5 years old. It's not like buying a Labrador or similar, it takes more care when buying a cavalier than it does with most other breeds.

MarianneB i am so shocked with all of the info i have collected today - i cant believe the homework needed to be done before buying a cav - i feel quite stupid and naieve now, but once i have them and not done all of this what can i do?
I suppose i just have to hope and pray nothing is wrong with any of their history's i was very lucky with my lab and hope i am with these  as well, i do thank you all for all of your info and help but i did feel i was being got at by some - how much do people actually pay for their cavs if mine were so cheap at £350 and £400 please?

i thought every one just wanted a dog, picked what kind paid for it, got any relevent info such as food fleaing and worming , took care of getting a good vet and insurance policy and that was it - there seems to have been so much more to have done buying a cav but i truthfully didnt know - i wish i did as i wouldnt like to lose any of them sooner rather than later or put them through unessesary pain and suffering, and i genuinly think now, even if i would have got all of the info where tests are concerned there is still no guarentees of nothing still happening if you look at it that way -  buying all dogs are sort of gambles - dont you think so?

Everyone is right about the breeders though - if i was one i could never sell to anyone i didnt think would take very good care of them - nor would i sell too early just to get the money as people can put deposits down reserving the pupp while the mother takes care till they are old enough - not like in maybe my situation - but both hoomes i bought them from seemed genuine good breeders and the dogs seemed happy - i wouldnt have bought them otherwise - its a bit like the rescue dogs, someone always takes them in - do you know what i mean - reply please x