>> its also the case of persuading some breed rescues to help with the poundies
>>
> i find that very upsetting :-(

And probably nigh on impossible considering how rammed breed rescues are too?

>> And probably nigh on impossible considering how rammed breed rescues are too?

true as well. its all just a right mess really.

its also the case of persuading some breed rescues to help with the poundies

i find that very upsetting

I agree but can you imagine what it must be like for Staffie rescue, run by responsible and experienced Staffie people, to try to help the enormous amount of badly bred and crossed Staffies that need homes at the moment?  The numbers are overwhelming. :( 
I would be happy and confident at rehoming a well bred Staffie from known parentage, but I'm really glad that I'm not responsible for rehoming some of the iffy temperament Staffies and crosses that are in the general rescue kennel that I help at! :(

it must be exhausting to do and they are admirable people

very good point WestCoast

Just caught up with this thread.
I think a strongly worded letter of complaint should be written the the rescue centre. They have failed poor max by not carrying out basic and simple introductions with your current dog, doing housechecks etc and talking to you about taking on a rescue dog & i worry that this could happen in the future to other animals.
They may think that by getting rid of max it was one less dog for them to worry about but sadly i envisage lots of pups being taken back due to potential owners not being properly vetted.

Hi Fred. You are completely right.
Unfortunately, this being a stray kennels and not a rescue centre, they dont operate the same standards.
Stray council pounds are just pet sales establishments, the same as a pet shop.
So they just sell dogs to people that turn up, so like a pet shop, dont obligate themselves to take dog back if its doesnt work (like the better rescue centres do).
So the issue in your last sentence wouldnt occur.
Also, the strays kennels will have dogs of all ages, not just pups.
However, by law, this is all local stray council pounds have to do.
After 7 days, they can just sell them, rehome them properly, or pass them on to actual rescue centres for proper rehoming.
Some pounds are better than others re these options.
Trouble is, most council pounds are up north or in wales, where they have too many stray dogs for the kennels available, so if they cant manage to find placements in rescue centres, they have no choice but to sell to the first person that comes along or put them to sleep.
If you go on rescue helpers unite, or the refuge, you will see lots of threads involving many rescue centres, organisations, or foster based rescue organisations making appeals for the latest dogs in dozens of pounds due to be PTS in 7 days for that week.

>Unfortunately, this being a stray kennels and not a rescue centre, they dont operate the same standards.

Just because a place is called a recue centre, does not mean they have any higher standards than a stray keenels.

I got my last dog from a 'charitable animal welfare centre, rescue kennel and cattery', me & my OH turned up, looked around, picked out the dog we wanted, gave our name & address & were told to return in 1 week as the dog hadn't been seen by the vet yet. We returned 1 week later to collect him, apparently the vet had seen him, but they had no idea what the wound on the top of his head was and the nails on his hind dew-claws were so long they had grown back around into the pads. I was 20 years old & 6 months pregnant, no questions were asked about us, our living arrangements or our previous experience with dogs, no contract to sign, we just handed over our £40 and took the dog away.

There may well be rescue centres with high standards, but 'rescue' is just a word used to describe the fact that there are animals there needing homes, it does not mean anything other than that. It is the same as saying 'breeder', there is no implication of reputability or high standards.

Just because a place is called a recue centre, does not mean they have any higher standards than a stray keenels.

i never said that in my last post or any on this thread..
.....................the last phrase i used was "like the better rescues do"
I also listed what are the accepted standards of a reputable rescue earlier

I know all about crap rescues, believe me, i've lived it

> i never said that in my last post or any on this thread..
>

I have only scanned quickly through the thread, I'm not trying to get at you,  I thought it only fair to point out to anybody reading that may be considering getting a rescue dog that just because a place calls itself a 'rescue centre' does not make it a good one, just as we point out to puppy buyers that the term 'breeder' does not mean reputable.

It would be much easier and fairer if places had to pass tests for standards/morels etc before they could call theirself 'rescues' or 'breeders' but I doubt that will happen :(

I have only scanned quickly through the thread, I'm not trying to get at you,  I thought it only fair to point out to anybody reading that may be considering getting a rescue dog that just because a place calls itself a 'rescue centre' does not make it a good one, just as we point out to puppy buyers that the term 'breeder' does not mean reputable.

And I would like to add that it would be a great shame if the stray kennels were totally ignored by anyone wanting a dog --a lot more dogs would end being put to sleep then. If you know what you are doing, i.e. isn't looking for your first ever dog for instance, you can find great dogs in the stray kennels just like in rescues. (And let's face it, there are many useless rescues, homing dogs to utterly unsuitable people, picking the wrong breed etc.) My MIL's Labrador came from our council stray kennels and I know many others from the same place. I went there, looked at all the dogs and picked one I felt was suitable and she is wonderful. Definitely no questions asked and not much help offered, but the dogs still need homes.

Just a quick read through so may not have the full picture but wanted to say IMO
We had 2 staffords both Male for 13 years and one was shown for about 10 years & I can count on the number of times they had a spat on on one hand...but they were bad, very nasty with 2 trips too the vets... I would not recommend it. As it will happen one day as with any dogs you just dont know but staffords can do damage alot more than most breeds so please seperate if ever left alone as I do know of an owner coming home to a blood bath as I have hepled with the SSBTR and collected a few males that have caused alot of damage and its like once they start to fight its very hard to get them to stop. We also have 4 adults in the home and each time it happened they were supervised but mighty hard to get them seperated.
I would only ever have one male stafford and would always say never leave them alone together. My loving & loyal staffs were brought up with each other & children & toy breeds But I knew fine well never to take my eyes off them, Once you have experienced a bad disagreement of two staffords you wont want to again. I do miss them & still love meeting staffs when out with my toy breeds. I also still in contact with alot of the hard working volunteers of the SSBT and its a very common problem with them, sadly.

>And I would like to add that it would be a great shame if the stray kennels were totally ignored by anyone wanting a dog --a lot more dogs would end being put to sleep then. If you know what you are doing, i.e. isn't looking for your first ever dog for instance, you can find great dogs in the stray kennels just like in rescues.

Good point Marianne.

My sister had two male staffs that adored each other - both rescues, both neutered. However, I suspect that there are always acceptions to the rule :-)