Just a quick question about worming a pup, just done my boy after he was done 2 weeks ago and also his flea treatment.
I am aware that the brand i have used(from research tonight) that it can cause sickness, is this right? Also he had his flea combined wormer spot on as well.
There is sick everywhere in his crate and all over the other dogs bedding, he's now very quiet and i'm keeping a close eye on him(not wanting to go to bed now).

Just wondered how normal this reaction is, he's got no other symptoms that i can see, just very tired..

Never experienced this with any of our other dogs, maybe he has a sensitive stomach and its just not agreed with him..

Just bumping this as just wondered what others thought on the subject.
I used Drontal Plus combined wormer and also Advocate as well.

He's bright as a button this morning and ate his breakfast, so obviously didn't agree with him, would this brand be too rich for a puppy or are there any other combined wormers which are recommended?

I don't ever give a puppy two treatments at the same time.  He probably felt really poorly, and somewhat deydrated after vomiting.

Your puppy will certainly be reacting to both the treatments, wormers are quite agressive, and while we do need to keep our pups free from worms it should never be given at the same time as a flea product, in fact your dog/puppy probably doesn't need a flea treatment at all.

My advice would be to use something like 4 seasons holistic wormer (much more gentle) http://www.homoeopet.co.uk/fourseasons.htm
in future and to protect him from fleas you could always give him some garlic each day and use neem shampoo from www.neemgenie.co.uk

Make sure your pup is getting plenty of water to flush the chemicals through his system.

Agrred we worm one week and Advantix two weeks later I think two treatments in a day is too much

> My advice would be to use something like 4 seasons holistic wormer (much more gentle)

But is it effective? :-)  I think a vet would advise using effective brands but not together.

Right, i suppose we've never had any reaction in any our of dogs/pups before and the vets always recommend at the same time too.
We live on a farm which is organic and they have to have flea treatment once a month and wormed every 3 months as part of the protocol, the cats go through the same process. Not sure what the horses do, but they are very strict on that also.

Water water everywhere, i have 2 bowls in the kennel, 1 bucket in the mini garden, 1 bucket in the large garden and 1 bowl inside the house. So yes he has plenty of access to water.
He's fine today, though just keeping him chilled due to the warm weather also.

Would Panacur be any better of a wormer than Drontal?

I don't know enough about homeopathic remedies and at this moment i don't intend on going that route unless i find he has adverse reactions to other wormers that i will try.
Its something which interests me but haven't got a clue about it, in due course i will start to read up about it all.

> Would Panacur be any better of a wormer than Drontal?

Because I Panacur pregnant bitches, and then, subsequently, their puppies, I don't use anything but Panacur on youngsters.  They don't actually get put on Drontal until they get dosed with the "big boys!"  :-)

I don't know enough about homeopathic remedies and at this moment i don't intend on going that route unless i find he has adverse reactions to other wormers that i will try.

I would have said that just over 3 years ago until my dog died from an adverse reaction to his booster.

I use drontal for my 2 toy poodles, the dose they need is one half of a tablet each but I have found that to stop them being sick I give them half the dose and the other half about half an hour later and this seems to work but I don't give them any food at the same time. I have spoken to my vet about doing it like this and they agreed although they couldn't understand why the short gap between the dose made any difference to whether they were sick or not there was no harm doing it this way. I did use Panacur once on the older dog but he still got tape worm a day or so later and according to my vet that was because Panacur doesn't treat all types of worm whereas Drontal does.

The trouble with wormers is as soon as the dogs have been wormed they can go out the next day and become infected again.  As chemical wormers are far too strong to give more often than every 3 months then the holistic wormers which are more gentle on the dogs gut can be given every month, which is what I choose to do.  I did give them drontal last year at one stage as they had been around a dog that had worms, so I thought to be on the safeside this is what I will do give them both drontal - both were unwell on the day of worming, one was sick and then my goldens hair started to come out in clumps, took about a month to stop. I am not sure if this was anything to do with the wormer, but he never had it before or since.  So a bad decision on my part!

Wormers do have to be effective though. I am not sure what holistic means in this context I am afraid :-)

If I am reading correctly you gave your pup a wormer and in addition a product that kills fleas and worms.  In effect you have given your pup double the dose of worming products so him being unwell is not surprising.

It is never a good idea to give any medication not specifically designed to be given with another.
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We've always given this to our dogs and cats, doubled up as recommended by our vets, though have changed them now..(vets that is)
Its Advantage for the flea and worms and then Drontal Plus for the other worms.. Advtange doesn't get rid of roundworms i think it is. I know a lot of people that do both.

As i've said he's obviously got a sensitive stomach compared to any of our other dogs, even as pups, so will heed the advice on here and make sure that there is a gap between giving him this again. Have spoken to the vets and they said try Drontal again, if he does throw up again then move to Panacur.

I'm slightly confused now, as Advantage doesn't control worms at all, any variety, only fleas.

Oh maybe its advocate, yes that makes more sense now. Just had a look on the packet, always getting the 2 confused when i speak about them.