how easy are this dog to mate.

my friends away aboard and has left me in control on this mating with her dog to the bitch,

on wednesday both where not intested she was on day 12/13 coming back today to try again.

thank god i got fcr easy breed or mating.

Why, does God come and help you???! ;-)

Difficult

Being quite variation in type the size sometimes differs hugely. Is the dog proven? Sometimes a dog can have all the equiptment but just not interested. As any dog the bitches can go on into there seasons into the day 18 and still not be ready. 3 man job id say.

yes the dog is proven this time last year.
ok

thanks

They'l do it when they're ready x

> They'l do it when they're ready x

not quite true kiera, dogs often need assistance for various reasons and they should be looked after through it lest they injure each other

eta: i'm correcting this not for bries sake who is knowledgable (hense asking for specific breed details when assisting) but for anyone in webland reading it

we own a dogue de bordeaux male and i would have thought at the very least you would need one person for each dog in case they turn on each other or pull away once tied.also a big male might be too heavy for a bitch if hes on her back for too long,our male is 90 kilos so males can be much heavier than the female.hope this si of some help.

You're a glutton for punishment!  I would think at the very least you would need 3 people with a breed that size.  Not getting at you in any way but hope they are both hipscored.  Their used to be a gorgeous girl that used to come to our dog trainig a few years ago who had a fantastic score of 8. 

Must admit I adore this breed, but could never own one.

Keira - you are doing it again!

How many matings have you actually experienced?    We should like to know.

That wording is a little ambiguous, Margot! ;-) But you're right - it's important to have assisted at several matings (handling both dog and bitch) before advising others on the process.

Whooops!!!! Guilty as charged!!!

Glad you knew what I meant though!

kiera yes they will do  it when they are realy but it a total different breed that i am use to,

i have done lots of mating on my dog and friends this is a graint breed,and the owner away leaving it in my care to do the job.

i was just asking what this breed like as a whole when the time is right

went back today a little more play but she not realy try again on sunday.

yes hip scored.

our male is 90 kilos :-o

>our male is 90 kilos  :-o

I agree, that's pretty hefty! We have a massive Mastiff (not bullmastiff, but real English Mastiff) that occasionally comes into work, and he weighs in at 80kg.

I've witnessed afew matings, and the stud owners all said that if the bitch hadn't ovulated then the dog would know this and not try and mount her.

my male dog will try to mate my bitches from day 9 to day 25.plus he know a few week before my bitches are coming into season,teeth munching after the bitch have been for a wee.
it when the bitch is more willing to stand.that she will stand for him,to be mated.

>all said that if the bitch hadn't ovulated then the dog would know this and not try and mount her.

Not true. Otherwise dogs would never try to mount other males, or spayed bitches ...

Inexperienced dogs are notorious for being over-enthusiastic (or totally bewildered!) and getting the timing horribly wrong, which can result in injuries for both dog and bitch.

Off topic but....

90kg?!!! You sure of this? To be honest that sounds too heavy for a ddb. Any pics?

> how easy are this dog to mate

Depends on timing (of course ;-) ). Two people needed for sure, one to guide the dog and one to support the bitch even if they're evenly matched for size.
Just a thought, do the dogues know you very well? The bitch in particular might be a bit put off by a strange handler. Not that I'm suggesting you're strange or anything!

both are very friendly out going dogs the owner of the bitch this there and the husband of the stud dog,
but both have not done stud work before ,the wife of the dog away,i help do the dog last year at stud, with a result.

i still dont think the bitch is really,they went for blood test to see if she was really but the dog freak out with the vet nurse so they didnt want to go down that route again.
i told the owner to buy the canine ovaltion pads if they work they should get them today,
i will take round the mate tel  round to day a try that as well.( SHOULD TAKE CHASE HE WOULD TELL ME}
she start on march the 27,quite heavey then stop then spoted for a couple of days,then came back into a full flow.
on wedsnday she was still red blood yesterday still water red blood not so heavy,
but she did start to 4 play with him.
so will try again today or tommrow.

luck the owner only live 1/2 hour away so it easy to drive back and fore

I'm sorry, Briedog - but if the bitch freaked out when she was with the vet nurse, it doesn't sound like she has a suitable temperament to be bred from! A dog the size of a DDB needs to be rock steady in temperament or could be a serious liability :(

no she has got a very nice temperament but when you are confronted with a trainee nurse didnt know how to draw up blood that was the problem

the same happen with my swd at my vet who i have know for 30 years,and the all are very skill people in they feild,

but tangle swd remmbers going to the vet as pain. two years ago she was bad attack rush her to the vets at that time,

dogs dont forget

first ridgielover you are up the gun you dont know the bitch, only what i writen on here,if i know she had a temperament problom would you think i be doing this mating for a friend,no i wouldnt.

she a big soft just like the stud dog,

Mine are around 60kgs both dog and bitch, id say 90 is very heavy for a Bordeaux.

i can assure you rumble is 90 kilos and still quite ribby as he hasnt matured fully in body yet. he was 18 kilos as a 8 week old pup and his mum was a big bitch with great substance and his brother buick was 85+ kilos.he can move like lightning when he wants and is 27.5 " at the shoulder.he has been placed at all but 2 champ shows we attended,had qualified for crufts 2009(although we entered we never went) and would have got placed higher at his shows had he behaved! we know hes 90 kilos as he was weighed in the vets for his worming tablet.thats by the by as the topic was mating these 2 dogs ,i only mentioned rumbles weight as an example of how much bigger the dogs can be, and how you would need help.

Exactly -for all breeds. Quite recently I was in charge of mating a toybreed and just when I was answering the phone the dogs decided to mate so there I am , shouting into the phone that I've got to go, the dogs are tying, slamming the phone down hard on my mum without waiting for any reply, rushing off to make sure the dogs were held securely. (Funny how it is JUST as backbreaking to hold a small breed whilst tied as it is with a large breed!) My mum had a good laugh about it next time she called me.

> Funny how it is JUST as backbreaking to hold a small breed whilst tied as it is with a large breed

more bending :)

> he was 18 kilos as a 8 week old pup.....and is 27.5 "

sorry this is off topic, but wow, that is a whopper of a dog! Buster (Mastiff) was 16kg at 14 weeks old, he's now approx 75kg and stands at 31 inches at the shoulder. What is Rumbles chest size, it must be massive?

the girl is more up for it today.tail to side he was more for it will try again tommrow,

We have breed DDB a few times and not had any problems. The bitch will indicate when she is ready so let her lead you and the male.
Dont rush her or things around her is my advise.

Good luck with it all.

this is what she was doing today,
trying again tommrow

The mating is the least of your problems. A week ago, I went to give a hand to a friend who was delivering his first litter.
He had done everythink to text book. That he had been advised for the breed. She was an angel during the delivery, but, she delivered over 24hrs. lost 3. The welphing box was done to specification. nice and large, but two bars down the box to stop her tredding on the pups. I prefer a anticrush bar all round. We took the one out, but he left the other in. He had shredded papper in. I would advice against it. She ended up tredding on one at 3days, and another at 7days they had to be put to sleep. As this is not my breed, I didn't want to interfer, to much.
But! the bitch needs room to move and stand and bedding to see the pups clear. She is a very loving, caring bitch. Speak to other well established breeders, do not take text books to much to heart.  Make sure someone is with her all the time untill the pups are bigger.

Denese

Denese briedog is just in charge of the mating, not the whelping.

Totally agree, i know several ppl in the breed that havent been 150million percent vigilant like i have been and lost several pups. My whelping box was self constructed (i told OH what to do) 1.5mx1.5m squared, with 60cm high walls. We took shifts 10pm-4am he did 4pm-10 when i got up we both watched them together. This was until they were old enough to be left alone for a few hours in the night. Mum was never left alone with them, shes clumsy at the best of times and wouldnt really understand why they squeaked under her weight, she was a great mum too. We dont use pig bars as i dont think they can match 24hr supervision. We had old carpet down for the first week then flat newspaper and vet bedding, shreded only when pups were 4/5 weeks and starting to be weaned. Like the mating, whelping and rearing is a 3 man job, i managed it with 2 but it was utterly knakering. I know this is just the mating but just advice for GP.

Louise

today she still up for it so is he but he just not getting here, as soon as i go in to help he back down with me and the owners husband around,even if we look though the stable door window he get off.we try again in the morning,

Aw bless the poor boy hes performance shy! When shes at her peak he'll be dying to get on her. What about if you introduce them with him on the lead and her off, get him frisky with you in the vacinity. When hes in the spot open her up, cause if hes put off with you watching hell be put off with you touching his bits. Best of Luck. Would love to see these babies when they arrive. Ginger wrinkles he he

he is on her and dying for her its just that 1/2 inch away,i need to be in there to guided him in and lift her v up and forward.

god who said breeding easy,
i will say fcr are and swd,

but both of their temperant are A one.he just a big gentle bear,and she is very gracfully for a big bitch.

"god who said breeding easy,"

I don't know, briedog. Who ever it was, didn't have a clue about what he was on about ;-)

The matings where the dog is reluctant to perform in the presence of the handlers, are the most difficult, aren't they?! A bitch can always be coaxed into accepting the whole procedure. But if the dog decides he's not performing......... I've been in your situation a few times. It's extremely difficult to "watch without watching". Dogs are not easily fooled. It could maybe take the edge of things for him, if you could have a cup of tea while chatting away, waiting for things to get going. He might relax enough to get on top of her, if he thinks you are busy eating and drinking. Once there, a bear hug from behind would be the action to take in my breed. Though I'm not sure it's possible with a DDB? Is it possible that the handler of the bitch could do the lifting up of her vulva? If only a contact of the two vital parts is established, it usually gets going just fine.

I'm not envious of you right now, Briedog :-p    But I'm going to follow this thread with great interest.
Good luck! Fingers crossed here for a good tie tomorrow!
Karen

i cannot count how many cup of tea we had been down that route.

he getting on top of her,plus we get the bear hug to.but not hitting the taget,

that why i need to get in an lift the vulva up,she ok with it put him no way,
off to try again at 8.30am

the bitch is better with out her owner been there and both owners are trusting me,with their dogs to do this.

this is the first time this has happen to meover the last 15 years always got results in mating

fingers crossed todays the day and you dont have to help to much ,Good luck ! x

Best of luck today.x

she still up for it so is he,we going to keep her for another 48 hours.

we keep try and we may succeed,

this is so frustrating to read so you must be going mad briedog!

come on dogues!! make with the puppy making!

no i,am mad already the people that know me will tell you  that.

lol madder then :)

best of luck with it, we're all on tenderhooks!

> he getting on top of her,plus we get the bear hug to.but not hitting the taget,
>
> that why i need to get in an lift the vulva up,she ok with it put him no way,
> off to try again at 8.30am

Terri, I know you may have tried this, but worth mentioning... have you thought about placing her hind legs on a slight incline (head facing downwards).. I have found a paving slab at just an inch in height under hinds legs makes all the difference..

Edited (correction of Terri's name)

I do hope Keira09 has followed this post and now realises that it isn't just a case of leaving two dogs together..................

Hope you've now had some success, Terri, and that your back doesn't ache too much!

Margot

> do hope Keira09 has followed this post and now realises that it isn't just a case of leaving two dogs together..................

what happened to her post

By kiera09   Date 10.04.09 15:28 GMT  They'l do it when they're ready x

This one! :D

yeah i remember the post (rolley eyes smiley? anyone? because oh my...) but it seems to have vanished from the thread.

weird.

eta. and now its back on my pc. weirder...

the 6th post down