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i was under the understanding that only certain breeds  in the gundog & terrier working group could be legally docked-can someone tell me if i am wrong- or if in fact this is an illegal docking.

I would think if they're pets and not working it is still illegal to dock them? But who knows what they told the Vet?? I can't see any Gundog folk of repute paying that much for a mongrel crossbreed? And by the way, by posting the link you are unwittingly helping to advertise them! If you're worried get in touch with the RSPCA, this is just the type of thing they love to waste time on!

from what what ive read on this forum,if a dog is purely breed for hunting a vet might crop the tail,but for cosmetic reasons its illegal in the uk.breeds like rotties,dobermanns,boxers etc must now have full tails in the uk.personnally im against docking and most dogs we see today with docked tails come from ireland where its still legal.

classic example of breeding for money.

the answer is no, these are illegally docked. they are not intended for working (ad mentions show lines in the parents) so they are illegally docked.

as to if you can at all i would think working crosses would, certain gun people prefer crosses i believe and i suppose some of the lurchers might?

Yes, but they're sprockers...:-(

sorry about the link.
i was just browsing the rescue dog sites on there & was a bit confused when i saw that.
thanks for clarifying

S'ok hunni, didn't want you getting into trouble with Admin(I get into enough trouble for 3 members!) so thought it best if you actually edited it out x ;-)

a springer/cocker cross couls be used for gundog work (in theory at least) so the argument could be made for working, in this case not though

Actually if they are Sprockers then yes if the owner has a certificate to show that he works the dogs and that some are going to working homes then yes they can be docked.

were they workers yes but their not though, you can tell from the add. i was particularly distressed by "hefty deposit secures!!"

This cross can be docked as it is a combination of the breeds allowed to be docked.

Found here: http://www.rcvs.org.uk/Templates/Internal.asp?NodeID=92660&int2ndParentNodeID=89738&int1stParentNodeID=89642
c. the types of dog that may be docked (types specified in the Docking of Working Dogs' Tails (England) Regulations 2007 are (1) hunt point retrieve breeds of any type of combination of types, (2) spaniels of any type of combination of types or (3) terriers of any type of combination of types. A copy of these regulations can be found on the OPSI website) http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2007/uksi_20071120_en_2

Which says: SCHEDULE 1

Specified Types of Dog

Hunt point retrieve breeds of any type or combination of types.

Spaniels of any type or combination of types.

Terriers of any type or combination of types.

Yes, but in danger of repeating myself I don't know any working 'guns' that would want or PAY for a mongrel crossbreeds!

> Which says: SCHEDULE 1
>
> Specified Types of Dog
>
> Hunt point retrieve breeds of any type or combination of types.
>
> Spaniels of any type or combination of types.
>
> Terriers of any type or combination of types.

yes, but that all applies to working bred dogs or their littermates. these are designer cross's not an attempt at better working stock.

> Yes, but in danger of repeating myself I don't know any working 'guns' that would want or PAY for a mongrel crossbreeds!

some would from other gun folk who did it for a reason, they wouldn't be buying these pups.

As long as the required evidence is provided by the breeder (having a shotgun license etc) then he can have them docked.  There is no distinction between lines of a breed and in theory the show bred ones could be worked.

> As long as the required evidence is provided by the breeder (having a shotgun license etc) then he can have them docked.  There is no distinction between lines of a breed and in theory the show bred ones could be worked.

i know, but if you read the ad it does not appear to be the case.

> I don't know any working 'guns' that would want or PAY for a mongrel crossbreeds!

Sprockers have found a place in the shooting world but from what people are posting though (the advert is no longer viewable) if these are from show lines on either the Cocker or Springer side it is unlikely they have truely been bred for the field.

>I can't see any Gundog folk of repute paying that much for a mongrel crossbreed?

I missed seeing the ad, but springer/cocker crosses, or lab/springer crosses and so on are quite commonly bred as working gundogs.

> Sprockers have found a place in the shooting world but from what people are posting though (the advert is no longer viewable) if these are from show lines on either the Cocker or Springer side it is unlikely they have truely been bred for the field.

the ad read something along the lines of sprokers bred from show line springer +cocker etc. registered as cockers with the Dog Lovers Registry... large deposit will secure. all the magic words of dodgy moneymakers to me rather than sporting breeders.

>sprokers bred from show line springer +cocker etc.

Certainly not from the working gundog fraternity that I know - they don't want anything to do with show lines!

>registered as cockers with the Dog Lovers Registry...

So much for the denials that they register crossbreeds!

well, I have to accept your view on that, as I've never seen it and certainly never known that much money change hands for a cross!

> Certainly not from the working gundog fraternity that I know - they don't want anything to do with show lines!
>

quite. the add was clearly on the dodgy end of the breeding spectrum

> well, I have to accept your view on that, as I've never seen it and certainly never known that much money change hands for a cross!

they wouldn't fork out that much for a worker usually i should think.

>certainly never known that much money change hands for a cross!

I never saw the ad - how much were they asking? I've seen ads for true working 'sprockers' for as much as £250.

No way Hosea...it was £500 or £600!!! I've left you a 'message' elswhere my dear!

> registered as cockers with the Dog Lovers(sic) Registry...

Oh, well that clinches it.  I doubt real working dog breeders would be bothering with that registry.

>> Oh, well that clinches it.  I doubt real working dog breeders would be bothering with that registry.

exactly, the ad was exactly what i would use if demonstraighting "WHERE NOT TO BUY YOUR PUPPY!"

> No way Hosea...it was £500 or £600!!!

Flippin 'eck!!! That's the going rate for a well-bred working breed with more red in the pedigree than you could shake a stick at!!!

Talk about fools and their money (we need a shaking head emoticom!)

i was amazed at the amount of mongrels that people were asking well over £400 for!!!

> (we need a shaking head emoticom!)

Like this? ;)

> Oh, well that clinches it.  I doubt real working dog breeders would be bothering with that registry

Oh I certainly agree, shifty sort of puppy producer (can't call that sort a breeder) having pups docked to make them more saleable, I was only commenting on the fact that yes they can get them docked as long as they show the vet what needs be.

Also what real breeder would refer to their puppies 'as the dogs watsits'

> Also what real breeder would refer to their puppies 'as the dogs watsits

*shudder*

those poor puppies