i think im going to loose the babys ..thayve been cring alot and started with the runs , vets gave them a jab of AB'S and some fluid at the back of their necks ..the girl keeps wondering off away from the others ....i carnt do this anymore !!!! i know its natures way .im in bits and carnt stop cring ...please dont let them all die !!!

oh white lilly, i'm sorry that pups are poorly. don't upset yourself though, i'm sure the vets doing everything possible and they will be ok. when did this start happening? what has the vet said?

Are you using Parvocide?  Is the dam OK?

Hi WL, Sorry to hear you are having trouble with the pups, has the vet said whats wrong? Could they has gas - Colic? Are they warm enough! Lois xx

Praying for your little one's.  Hope they make it.  xx

Oh My goodness, I hope they are ok, been out all day and just read your email. Let us know how things are hun, x x x

Aah white Lilly, :( i so hope the babies will be ok

Oh dear, I'm really sorry to hear this. I've got my fingers crossed for you. xx

thanku every1 im with them now ,since getting back from vets mum as feed them and cleaned them they have now stopped cring so have i ,im keeping everything crossed that thay make it and im going to stay possitive :) xxx

Stay calm or you'll upset the bitch, I can imagine it's pretty hard to do that though! Sending you prayers!

So sorry to hear this whitelilly.
Dont upset yourself im sure you are doing everything you possibly can for your girl and her family.
Thinking of you with everything crossed.

Thinking of you Joanne XX

Natural for you to be crying {{{{  HUGS  }}}}  

Sending positive vibes, keep strong for your girl.  x

oh my, so sorry to read this.  I hope everything turns out ok.  Sending prayers for you and your doggy gang!  (((((hugs)))))

Chin up! You have acted quickly and antibiotics can sometimes work "little miracles" . Keeping your pups hydrated , warm and clean is all you can do.Hope they pick up soon.

morning jo,any news on how your babies are doing?
keep us informed im sending all my love to you mum and pups.xxxxx

Hi
mum is ok pups are feeding well , they havnt put much weight on as yet but all is looking well ,thanku every1 for your surport , i will keep u updated when i can xxx

Only just read this.  I have everything crossed for you and mum and her babies.

I have just read your post hope they are doing much better x

Been following your post. Everything crossed here too, hope they continue to improve x

Hi White Lilly - glad things are improving.  It's a bit scary when things like this happen, and it seems to happen so quickly.
I'm concerned about you too.  Don't forget to take some time to rest when you can.  You are probably very tired, and that can make things seem even worse.  I know I've been totally wacked with the litters I've either helped with or had myself, and it's easy to get so exhausted that coping becomes difficult.
Sending positive thoughts to you, the babes and their Mum *hugs White Lilly*
Ness

thanku all for your kind words ,i mean that from the bottem of my heart i am totally exhausted but not going to give in :) ...ive started giving honey and water as thay are dehydrated ther coats are dull and course and when i pinch their neks it does stay but i will get there , i just wish i could get mum to drink more :( xx

I have no experience with puppies but honey shouldn't be given to infants because of the risk of botulism...I would just worry that the pups are also at risk?  Hopefully someone with more experience will be able to say if honey is safe or not?

Hi,  if you feel they are dehydrated then get them onto a rehydration solution straight away - either Lectade or Dioralyte.  You need to get them rehydrated before they can start benefitting from the milk again.  Just my opinion, but if they have reached this stage and you are so worried, I would be concentrationg on getting the fluids into they by hand, and when you have them rehydrated go straight onto bottle feeding to keep the good work going, then you can concentrate on Mum without having to panic about babes. By all means keep giving them little drinks from Mum to keep her milk going and get the colostrum into them (I am assuming they are very new) but consider this as an extra to the main bottle feed.  Good luck.

Hi gwen ,i have rehydration support by royal canin ?? and also have dioralyte so i will start 1 of them ...mum is fine no temp and is feeding very well she just dont want to drink much , pups are only 3days old , pups dont have the runs now thank goodness ,i have whelpi too .

thanku gwen xx

Glad things seem to be a bit better, perhaps some honey in water will encourage Mum to drink ? otherwise I would try any type of fluid  for Mum and then a stiff drink or two for you. !

Try giving mum some Lactol, it's the only reason I had it in :)   you can also soak mum's food before giving it to her and that way she'll be getting more liquid, if she has wet food just mix some warm water with it.  You'll be surprised how many ways there are to sneak liquids into a bitch ;)  Don't forget tho, at this stage she won't leave the pups no matter how hungry she is, you'll have to offer it to her in the whelping box while you hold the bowl for her ;)

Don't worry too much about getting her to drink loads, the pups won't need large amounts of milk just yet.

thanks furrifriend :) xx

Hi dill ,im going back to vets tomorrow ,thats the thing shes happy to leave them :!( and seems very stressed i think she might need a calcium jab ? lots of panting ...she will only eat her food dry :( even put some meat into water to see if she would drink it to get to the meat but nooo !! she noy drink lactol ...goats milk ...evap milk...honey water ...sugar water...and the list goes on ...but if i cup the water with my hand she as a small lick so i have to keep doing that !! or she will lick it off my finger ...this isnt like her at all so i will see what vet says tomorrow xx

> lots of panting

The lots of panting is perfectly normal.  Hope things go well with the vet, let us know how you get on.  Good Luck.

Are you adding loads of water to Mums food, and feeding it to her in her whelping box by holding the bowl.  None of my bitches would choose to leave the whelping box in the first few days and would not drink or eat if I didn't give it to them, and I need to drag them out to toilet.

Just read your further posts and if Calcium deficiency is the issue then this is an emergency as Eclampsia can kill.

Hi Joanne,

let us know how things are this morning and after the vet.
I have everything crossed for you and pups, what a worry x x x

I can remember whilst I was 'in training' for breeding myself helping out my foundation breeder, she had a bitch whom just would not eat or drink unless the breeder fed her by hand, she was like that for most of the first week, she had all of her puppy food soaked to give her water, and was given a cup of goats milk with 2 egg yolks lightly aired, morning and evening, (I continue to do this myself for the first two weeks after whelping) whelpi, lactol all have the same effect, take the bowl to her and  hold it up to her for the first few licks then sit with her whilst she drinks, feed her by hand the soaked puppy food, she needs extra liquid. You may well need to pamper her like this for a while.  The pups are only 3 days in, she has eaten the placenta's (has she?) her body will be fine for a while, but do your best to get that extra liquid in, soaked puppy food is an excellent way to do that. :-)

What about canned food?  Its high in moisture, so if mom will eat it, its worth a try. Also add some cottage cheese, it seems to help. 

What about trying a weak bowl of tea , maybe you need to try something different to get her to try it .

her food and water is in whelping box all the time she is eating !!!!!! i have said this in my post!!! sorry if this sounds nasty i dont want to come across like thats :) ...i dont need to havd feed her :) i did my other bitch she wouldnt eat :( ...
back to this girl ...she loves her dry food ,,,she WILL NOT eat it soaked.....so now ive changed her food to natures harvest and added some milk to it and shes eaten some this morning ..i will still give her some pro plan as she loves this food and i will keep trying with the milk .

Have sent you a pM, hope the pups pull through, it is soul destroying losing puppies, very sad, but sending positive vibes to you.

hows everything going

hi lillymum pups are doing very well just got back from the vet as 1 of them inhaild milk last night from mum and was choking :( ...so i wanted to make sure he was ok and he is :) thay are now 6 days old and have just about dubbled birth weight so mum is doing very well with them :) she has loads of milk now ,she is still eating loads and drinking very well now , she put on 7kg when in whelp and she as only lost 3kg which is less then what the pups weighed :) thay are just under 3pound now :)

xx

So glad your pups have recovered. Prompt action won the day! Hope its plain sailing from here.

Great news Jo, she sounds a fantastic little mum

thanku evelyn , i dont take my eyes off them :) ...so if anything at all happens i know about it :) xx

Hi annastasia mum is fantastic with them :) we are very pleased with her ,she is doing so well ...
:):) xx

thats fantasic great news weldone mum x

Really pleased to hear that things are on the up!  :-)

They worry us like mad don't they.  But at least you can now let go of some of the stress, as you must be so relieved.  Glad your girl has started drinking too.

thanku jeanSW ,i could sleep the clock round now :) but a few hours will be good too :) xx

i too could sleep round the clock, our babies are 2 weeks old on Friday, it is very hard work but very rewarding too, im so tired, the least little cry im off the couch to check on them, all night long, good luck Jo, im sure they will be fine now lol x

wow time goes soooo fast !! are their eyes open now ??? :) i love that bit ,seeing them and them seeing you :):) xx

Yes their eyes are opening, and they are just getting on their feet too, they are gorgeous, and seem to be growing by the day now, they have such attitudes as well, must take after their dad ha ha! he has yet to meet his daughters, he will in a few weeks.

Awwww bless :):) i just carnt wait till these are running around and playing ,they grow sooo fast :) xx

Excellent news, so pleased they are doing well now, Brilliant!!