Hi all.
Firstly, thanks for the great advice in my other thread about sleeping.
Charlie (cocker boy) has been brilliant.
I decided to put him in his cage in the kitchen/diner and leave him. I put a blanket over the top, walk away and wait around the corner.
He might wimper. If he does, I just say "No Charlie" and then wait. I don't let him see me.
He then goes to sleep and doesnt make a sound all night.

Now my next query, if no-one minds;
Unfortunately, I have missed getting up in the night to let Charlie out. I don't want to teach him to 'go' on paper in the kitchen then have to re-train him for outside, I reckoned I'd just get him 'going' outside straight away.
When I go down in the morning, without a fuss I let him on the garden andsay 'wee-wees'  and 'poo-poos' and he does it!
I praise him and come in.
However, sometimes he comes in and does another wee on the floor indoors. Sometimes he wont wee outside then as soon as he's inside, guess what he does! The little monkey. This isn't only mornings but also during the day.

I'm concerned he thinks of the garden as a big playground so rather than letting him loose, I want to put him on his lead and stand there waiting for him to 'perform' and then praising him.
Problem being, he hates his lead. I can't walk him on the road yet as he only had his 2nd jab on Wednesday and the vet told me to wait a week.

Are there any better techniques I could be using to get him to go outside, and discourage him from going inside?
Will he just 'get it' one day? I know he's only young and not in full control of his bladder and its unfair to expect him to magically learn proper toiletting but how can I help him?

Many many thanks again.
John.

> . Sometimes he wont wee outside then as soon as he's inside, guess what he does!

Don't come inside until he does !!

What do you mean by him not liking his lead ?   If he bites at a fabric lead - try a chain one instead .

the business with his lead will get better once your walking and he associates his lead with nice stuff.

On the weeing, you have to be totally on the ball and anticipate his need to wee. toilet him immediately when he wakes up, after playing, after eating etc. watch him when he does pee, you'll quickly learn to recognise the wiggly walk they do before one and scoot him outside. and praise praise praise!!!

One question, how long after he's eaten/drank should I leave it before trying him to toilet?
I thought maybe 10, 15 minutes or so but I wonder if it should be immediate?
And how would he be ready to toilet immediately after eating/drinking? Doesn't it take time to work through his digestive system?
Thanks

a few minutes, he's only got a wee tummy so if he eats till he's full he might need to pee because of pressure. you can't really over kill on this though so just try him a lot, you can always reduce the amount later as he's older and can hold it.

obviously no strenuous excersize after eating/drinking though

Well John i think you are doing a good job on your own, as Astarte says just watch for the wiggly walk and head down sniffing for that wee.
As for the lead i wouldnt worry to much about that,as that will come when he starts to go out and about.

Put him out straight after he has eaten or had a drink or a play.

> Well John i think you are doing a good job on your own

yes, quick progress :) dedicated owners pay off!

> as Astarte says just watch for the wiggly walk and head down sniffing for that wee.
>

its difficult to describe isn't it? their bums wiggle more and they sort of waft the tail a bit and sniff the ground and circle a little.

> One question, how long after he's eaten/drank should I leave it before trying him to toilet?
>

Like Astarte says pretty quick. Eating and drinking triggers all of the bodies natural reactions, so although what your pup has just eaten is not ready to be passed what he previosly ate is, so outside quick, tiny tummies don't hold a lot and bladders even less. Sounds to me like you've got a pretty good grasp on things and I wouldn't worry too much about the lead, lots of them find it strange to start with just keep on truckin. :)

Yes and sometimes they do a little small run before they do a wee.....so that maybe something else to give you a clue.

> Unfortunately, I have missed getting up in the night to let Charlie out

Do you mean that you've slept through the alarm or that you are planning to miss this step out?

At 10 weeks Charlie is unlikely to make it through the night unless you go to bed very late and get up very early.  The night time outings are often very good times to instill the 'out to pee' message as they don't really want to play in the dark and cold.  I'm sure that as soon as his paws touch the grass, and the chill hits his bladder he'll want to perform for you!

Our timings were final wee at 11pm out at 3am then up at 6.30am.  The 3am outing was gradually moved a little each week until he was sleeping through the night but we didn't get past a 6am wake up call until he was 5 months old!!

In the garden try going to the same place each time - he'll recognise the scent and that might stimulate him to go again.  You may just have to stand there being uninteresting til he goes.  Also if you know he likes to go twice just wait him out.  I noticed that our boy always needed several goes to be sure he was empty - he'd start, then get sidetracked by something, and not finish properly.  He also developed a kind cute 'wee and walk' routine - so much better than actually stopping to pee!! 

Yep, you just have to get used to hanging around in the garden ...  Dogs eh!!

agree with all thats been said here and it looks like you have been doing a great job so far. Make sure that you clean the bit where he has been weeing inside with biological washing powder, bicarbonate of soda or one of these odour eliminator liquids (i used Simple Solution when mine were pups but there are other ones too). If the smell is left he will go on the same spot nd normal cleaners don't take the smell away.