hi all, someone e mailed me about a pup and has asked if i would export a puppy to OMAN!
i was wondering if people do this,and how it all works.i have no idea what to say to the guy as i dont know how it all works and if id be comfortable doing it.
he would pay all costs but thats not the issue,its about ill never see the dog again and the travelling the pup would have to go through and then how do i know she will be looked after right.ect ect
how does it work???
Does anyone here do it/done it before?
please help.xxxxx

I would never export a puppy to someone I didn't know over a lengthy period and even then not to a country where the climate or culture was unsuited to my breed.

How it works for me is to thank them for their interest and politely decline :)

Got to agree with Teri, if it wasn't some one I knew or had been corresponding with for a very long time I wouldn't risk it.

Joan

I.m not sure why anyone would want to buy a pup who hasnt met the mum at least in the flesh anyway.
knowing the breeding is one thing but you cant get a true feel of the dog without meeting at least mum or dad.

Many breed clubs have rules forbidding you to send a dog to a country that does not have animal welfare legislation.  Even exporting to countries that do I think most breeders would wish to know the purchaser very well of have someone that can vouch for them in a similar well founded level.

Mahonc, I wouldn't be surprised if this person from Oman had pots of oil-money.  I would assume that the puppy would be a fashion accessory or whim - what the parents are like would be irrellivent.  The new owner then has the prestige of saying "Yes he's imported from the UK".

Tamara - I wouldn't be exporting to Oman for all the oil in the the UAE.  Totally different if the person lived in the UK and was going over to Oman to work and wanted the dog to join them eventually.  I don't even know if Oman is under the pet passport scheme, I don't think it is.  Also it's an islamic country, so I don't think that a dog would be much appreciated there.  (Apologies if I've offended anyone or got any facts wrong).

It may be an expat but then again it may also be a scam of which breeders receive many.

Oh don't I know it - the number you see on Gumtree is ridiculous!!! I've even heard of people that have fallen for them.

Expats or scams? :-D

LOL!!! :-D

Scams, definitely

Tamara,

I get these requests all the time.

I suggest you reply, as I do, by thanking them for their kind enquiry ( in case it's bona fide) and then explain that all interviews for your puppies are conducted in your home.
If this is an excellent puppy owner then they will fly over, establish a relationship with you and your dogs and when they fly back you can think about it. There will be the odd ex-pat who really wants a UK puppy and unless ( as Teri said) the climate is unsuitable for your breed and or your breed club code of ethics prohibits it, you can think about it.

As you go along in this dog breeding life you will learn to differentiate between people who want one of your pups and those who just want a pup.

> Also it's an islamic country, so I don't think that a dog would be much appreciated there.  (Apologies if I've offended anyone or got any facts wrong).

thanks to all who has cleared this up for me.
the guys name is paul and he and his wife  moved from here in the uk to work over there.
but like like some say ill never know where the pup is going and how long it will take for the novelty to wear off.i will e mail back and thank him kindly for the interest and decline.
thanks everyone.

An interesting point raised by Granitecitygirl and one subject to prejudices on all sides. Islam traditionally hold that dogs are unclean (with the exception of the saluki, "the gift of Allah"); Sunni Muslims tend to be more tolerant, but this is widely believed by Shi'ites, who make up 80% of the Muslim population.

With regard to cruelty and animal welfare, you may be interested in this website-- http://www.islamicconcern.com/dogs.asp

For information, the advice to Muslims is as follows:

1. It is NOT haraam (forbidden) to own a dog, though it is not hygienic to keep a dog in the house.

2. It is NOT haraam to touch a dog or any other animal. If the saliva of a dog touches you or any part of your clothing, then it is required of you to wash the body part touched and the item of clothing touched by the dog's mouth or snout.

3. It is incumbent upon all Muslims who own animals, whether for farming or work purposes or as pets, to provide adequate shelter, food, water, and, when needed, veterinary care for their animals. Arrangements must be made, if one is going to be away from home, to have one's animals taken care of as well.

4. It is haraam to keep a dog or any other animal on a short lead for long periods without food, water, and shelter. Dogs need exercise and are social creatures who form organized "family" structures in nature. Dog owners therefore need to spend time daily with their dogs.

5. It is cruel, and therefore haraam, to keep any animal in a cage so small that it cannot behave in a natural way.

6. Fireworks cause untold suffering to most domestic animals because of their acute sense of hearing.

7. It is haraam to participate in any blood "sport," like dog fighting and trophy hunting.

Not so much to argue with, is there? In case anyone asks, yes, I have lived in Islamic countries, and I'd say that sadly people can be mindlessly cruel wherever you go. Let's dump the stereotypes and find out what's really out there!

Chances are it is a scam.

Hi trekkiemo, although you are responding to my email i am assuming that the scam to which you refer is the proposed purchase/export of a puppy and not the website and information I have supplied...

> Also it's an islamic country, so I don't think that a dog would be much appreciated there.  (Apologies if I've offended anyone or got any facts wrong).

devils advocate but Oman is apparently a very very liberal Muslim country very different from the likes of Saudi etc so i'd perhaps do some more research before a direct no (based on the email of course, if the sound genuine-in a travel to visit before mating sort of way).

Also not all muslim countries/people dislike dogs- the Afghan and the Saluki both originate in muslim countries, the Kangal is still prized in Turkey. You all might remember a thread i started a while ago abut white gsd'd? that was on behalf of a pakistani and muslim friend. all i'm saying is lets not jump to conclusions :) look into it of course though

if the ops not comfortable with sending a pup that far (which would be totally fair enough) then thats a reason for a no, assumptions about culture are not :)

excellent post jay!

All other aspects put aside,it would be impossible to take the pup back in case it needs rehoming. For that reason I've turned down sending a pup abroad,even to countries that are within the pet passport scheme. Once out of the country, it would take too long for my comfort for all the tests to be completed. What if the pup needs rehoming at a young age? It can and does happen.

Yes sorry I didn`t state that.I get emails like the one you got from time to time and always bin them.Lots of scammers out there in pet trade you only have to look at pets for sale sites to see that.

hi tamara when my pups were due to go i had an email from a guy who lived abroad but was working in yet another country. he wanted the pup for a xmas pressie for his 7 year old son(warning signs already) he wanted me to ship pup to his family. he told me he would send me a cheque for £1500, i was to cash it, take cost of puppy out then his courier(some man) would collect the rest of the cash and pup and it would be shipped with other stuff. it all sounded really dodgy and as though he was trying to money launder so please be very careful. i wouldnt have dreamt about shipping the pup even if he had sounded genuine. nikki xx

nikki this happend with me with last litter ..man told me he wanted a pup lived in america but his family lived in this country ..told me he would send cheque ..i just said no ..he was ringing me too not just emails ..im sure it was some kind of scam ...!!! xx

white lilly, yeah this bloke just didnt seem real just a scam. i told him all pups had gone i wasnt prepared to risk it. i just hope other people dont fall for this kind of thing nikki x

my father lives in oman and i have been there numerous times and i have to say alot of what has been said so far is very true, oman is very liberal.
there are alot of expats out there so could be genuine but puppies are generally bought from pet shops and are kept in large glass tanks for you to go along and take your pick!! its awfull to see and they look so sad, the only thing they do have on their side is air con!!
if they become bored or try to find a new home for the pup unless they can find another willing expat they will be hard pressed to find a new home, also if like most of the expats out there they work for the armed forces and they were deployed at short notice what would their plans be for your pup??
just a thought
kirstie

just to let you know i decided ages ago not to export the pup(i think i already knew in my mind i wasnt going to anyway but still) it just bothered me that before all other things idnever be able to watch the puppy grow.the re homing side of things crossed my mind too so those two things alone stopped me even thinking about it more.if i couldnt have the dog back due to any problems or couldnt see the pups progress that enough to make me not want to go ahead.the other issues followed behind but,these two things bothered me the most.