I am soon to be starting a study which will involve speaking with lots of vets accross the country to gather as much info as possible, and I would like to ask you all for your help too.
Can you please tell me how many of you that keep your dogs vaccinated has ever had one past or present that has caught one of the diseases it was vaccinated against.
Also I would like to know about any vaccinated dogs you know of that has caught one of the diseases while vaccinated.
For those of you that Titre test I would like to know if any of you have ever had a dog that showed good immunity on a titre test but still caught one of the diseases that had shown good immunity.
Again I would also like to hear the same of any dog you know of that may not be owned by you that is tire tested had good immunity and still caught one of the diseases.
Can either reply here or if prefer pm me.
The aim of this is to eventually lobby the insurance companies to change thier stuck in the mud old fashioned views and try to get them to accept titre testing.

i have alway vaccinated but after following alot of your posts regauring this im going to do tire test ...GOOD luck and i carnt wait to see the results ...

i hope you can change the minds of insurance comanies :) xx

> Can you please tell me how many of you that keep your dogs vaccinated has ever had one past or present that has caught one of the diseases it was vaccinated against.
>

Me. None.

> Also I would like to know about any vaccinated dogs you know of that has caught one of the diseases while vaccinated.
>

None.

> The aim of this is to eventually lobby the insurance companies

By all means lobby them but they would not accept this as a legitimate study as the bias is extremely likely to lean towards those that have something to report, which will include unsubstantiated stories picked up from the internet, and will therefore produce no meaningfull data.
The insurance companies will be well aware of all the scientifically conducted surveys of this subject if they have not run any themselves.
As for speaking to vets I am not sure how they work but I know GPs are paid or given some other incentives to complete such surveys so you may need to raise considerable funds first.

I know GPs are paid or given some other incentives to complete such surveys

And to prescribe promoted drugs! :)

> And to prescribe promoted drugs!

No, that is not permitted anymore.

> Can you please tell me how many of you that keep your dogs vaccinated has ever had one past or present that has caught one of the diseases it was vaccinated against

None.  (For many years now I've only done initial vaccinations only, no boosters)

> For those of you that Titre test I would like to know if any of you have ever had a dog that showed good immunity on a titre test but still caught one of the diseases that had shown good immunity

No

HTH, Teri :)

I have had 28 dogs in my time. Each and every one has been vaccinated every single year, always. Never a problem of any sort. I did have one that had distemper and developed brain damage as a result and died when one -she came from a breeder who did not vaccinate her adults so presumably had no maternal antibodies and had already caught it before 8 weeks of age.

Even my 14 year old Cavalier with grade 6 MVD is being boostered every year and he's never had any reaction.

I will not consider titre testing as long as it costs twice as much as to vaccinate, and as long as I've not seen any problems. (No pup I have bred and sold have had a problem, either.) I've only seen problems in unvaccinated dogs. Apart from the pup I had, have also known 3 others die due to being unvaccinated.

> Apart from the pup I had, have also known 3 others die due to being unvaccinated.

That wasn't asked but I can report having known one too.

I have had 2 dobermanns that contracted parvo virus (at different times) even though they were fully vaccinated...albeit a milder form of the disease. My 3 current dobes all contracted KC well after vaccination also..but nothing unusual there lol

My first dog contracted some virus that the vet said may be have been distemper related - but not having had a post mortem I have no idea what she died of.  The first we knew was that she collapsed fitting  - she had been quiet all day and then developed pneumonia and died at age 7.  I have always had the yearly injections because I can't put my dog into kennels otherwise.

None and I also do initial, first booster and nothing. 

I believe that there's a study regarding the ? link to hypothyroidism and vaccinations in one breed.

My first Ridgeback, back in 1985, had her initial injections and then got parvo at 5 months.  She was very seriously ill, so much so that the vet didn't think she'd make it, but she pulled through.  Luckily, she was a chunky girl as she got down to skin and bone.

Thankyou everyone so far keep them coming the more replies positive or negative will all be helpful.
Isabel i don't have to pay any vets for info.  There are several in different places willing to help and supply some data to me, obviously not individual cases and names as that is confidential.
As discussed with them unless people act nothing will ever happen, the insurance companies may not listen but if you don't try then the odds of that will be nil.

> There are several in different places willing to help and supply some data to me

I'm afraid that leaves you very much open to bias again. 

>how many of you that keep your dogs vaccinated has ever had one past or present that has caught one of the diseases it was vaccinated against.

None

>I would like to know about any vaccinated dogs you know of that has caught one of the diseases while vaccinated.

None

In fact I personally know of no dogs since our own many many years ago who've been confirmed with any of the vaccinatable diseases. If I remember, and if there's time, I'll ask the head vet on Thursday for her experience (far more comprehensive than mine, naturally!)

I'll ask the head vet on Thursday for her experience (far more comprehensive than mine, naturally!)

Thankyou.

Mine has always been vaccinated including that of KC.

My father does the vaccinations only at puppyhood. Neither of us have had any problems.

I have enquired about the titre test with the vet, its a huge expense and while some vets charge a flat fee for all testing, ours charge for each individual test which bumps up the price.

Our boy Bentley who passed away at the end of last year initially had symptoms of Parvo, this was a very worrying time, though thankfully its wasn't that, but he still had to be pts due to his illness.

All my dogs have been vaccinated and boostered and we have never had any problems with the vaccines and never had any signs of the diseases vaccinated against.

If you are happy with titre testing then won't your insurance company insure them but with an exclusion for diseases they are asking for the vaccinations for? Then you will be able to get the insurance, won't be forced to vaccinate and presumably if the titres are OK the dogs would not get the diseases anyway so no insurance cover for these would not be an issue?

From 1958 to 1981 I religiously had my dogs vaccinated & boosted as told to by my vet. In 1981 I went to live in Southend(well Westcliff)on Sea & when I went to the nearest vet to get mine done, I had a long & interesting discussion with the senior vet & his views on vaccinations.

In his experience as a vet he had started to become very concerned over the increased number of dogs he was seeing with immune system adverse reactions to vaccinations. He had researched the matter & had in depth talks with immunologists at Glasgow Vet School(where he had been a student)They too were voicing their concerns over cases being referred to them. So with their co-operation he started to offer a titre testing service(at cost)to his clients. What he discovered(& the University of course)was that the vast majority of dogs did not need yearly boosters, he did the bloods on my dogs & they came back with good levels & in the opinion of the Vet & the University none of my dogs would ever need vaccinating again.

Since then I have titre tested my dogs before they have their initial vaccinations & then vaccinated(or not)in line with the blood results. I had one BC who never had any vaccinations at all & never had a days illness of any kind in his life. My dogs have needed their puppy vaccinations in most cases, but none after that.

I had one BC who had been given the KC vaccination before I got him, when there was an outbreak locally, he was the only one to contract it, despite the fact that my dogs are always together.

On the other hand my Dad always insisted on vaccinating his dogs as per the vets/vaccine company protocol. He had a couple of dogs be off colour after their vaccinations(always included the lepto vax). He took his perfectly healthy Cavalier for his lepto booster & after being given a full health check re heart etc he was given the vaccination. Within minutes he had collapsed(my Dad was still in the vets waiting to pay, he was rushed through into the treatment area, where he died three hours later. A PM done shown a massive immune system reaction to the vaccination, which caused all his organs to shut down

> If you are happy with titre testing then won't your insurance company insure them but with an exclusion for diseases they are asking for the vaccinations for? Then you will be able to get the insurance, won't be forced to vaccinate and presumably if the titres are OK the dogs would not get the diseases anyway so no insurance cover for these would not be an issue?

Quite so :-)  I doubt any "personal" research is going to change their business decision on this which after all will be based on the far larger quantity of data revealed by their claims department. 
It may be peoples perception from reading the internet that severe adverse reactions are increasing, although why they would when vaccination periods have been increased I don't know, but clearly the information that the insurance companies hold leads them to consider it differently.

My first Briard had his initial puppy vaccinations at 4 months and had a very bad reaction - convulsions, lack of appetite, diarrhoea and a very nasty Pus filled lump that came up on the site of vaccination plus directly underneath, on his throat. My Vet at the time would not agree that these symptoms were caused by Vaccination. He went back for his booster 1 yr later (stupid me) and again was in severe pain, terrifying convulsions and had to have an Adrenalin shot as an emergency case.

When I took my second Briard for Vaccination - in hindsight I shouldn't have - She showed even more severe symptoms and was oozing green pus from her Vaccination site, eyes, nose and genitals. She was very, very ill for several weeks, I am lucky she is still here today and I deeply regret doing it yet again!!

My breeder didn't Vaccinate unless absolutely necessary IE, taking them out of the Country to be shown or bred. My breeder also found that Vaccinations had an adverse effect percentage wise, more dogs, than less.

My dogs are not Vaccinated anymore, needless to say and I am VERY anti because of my experience, understandably!!

My insurance Company are accepting of this fact and my last insurance Company were also accepting. The only caveat in the policy is that should they (my dogs) contract any disease that could have been Vaccinated against, obviously won't be covered. More than fair in my case.

Incidentally, my current Vet, when presented with my dogs medical history from the previous Vet, has acknowledged that they did indeed have an adverse effect from Vaccination and has confirmed my reticence on future Vaccination/boosters. This is a Vet who is 100% Vaccination friendly and does not believe in alternative, even Titre testing.

I am all for Titre testing but in my case it is pointless as I am unwilling to Vaccinate again.

> My 3 current dobes all contracted KC well after vaccination also..but nothing unusual there lol

My dogs are vaccinated against KC, and the dog I had taken in a while back (Scarlet) wasnt.  Cher and Casie both got KC really bad, but the dog that WASNT vaccinated against it, never did get it! 

> needless to say and I am VERY anti because of my experience

I would have thought that if you have a breed or line or whatever that appears to be particularly succeptible to bad reactions you would be more keen for the general population to be regularly covered and therefore provide a better herd protection for yours. 

As far as I am concerned, what matters most to me are MY dogs. I am anti for MY dogs. I am not at all interested in the general population. I refuse to enter into the discussion on Vaccination as I am very well aware of the pro's and con's. I stated quite clearly why I didn't choose to Vaccinate and IMHO that is sufficient!

You are entitled to your 'thoughts' Isabel, as I am to mine. Although, digressing slightly, regardless of topic you do seem somewhat argumentative with people that do not adhere to your opinion and quite frankly I am fed up with it! There are ways of disagreeing with others using tact, perhaps you should learn some.

I think you post is far less tolerate of someone elses viewpoint than mine!

Explain?

It doesn't really need an explanation. Read my post again and read yours.

>It doesn't really need an explanation. Read my post again and read yours.

Exactly. I stated my position and opinion based on my experiences I did not cast aspersions on others, or their opinions as you are frequently prone to doing so I suggest that you DO as you advised me. End of discussion because, as is usual with you, this post is going off topic.

My post was not off topic nor was it casting aspersions.  It was a relevent point pertinent to the thread.  Your post is the one that suffers from all the things you are accusing me of. You don't want sometime to express a different opinion and you are rude and personal about it.

Good luck with your research,bevb.Interesting posts Moonmaiden and Hairypooch-it must have been awful for both of you to experience such bad reactions to vaccs.