hi just wondering if anyone else has noticted the increasing amount of parti colour dogs a lot are black and white how do people get this colour mixing? i like this and thought that they were rare colours 1st time i seen them but there seems to be alot more now. They are also kc reg but how if there is 2 colours in this breed i hope you know which breed i meant, just a general question just be nice to hear other peoples views. my girl is cream and was bred with a black dog and her litter was all blacks without so much as a white dot on them.

why dont you just mention the breed, would be much easier than guessing :)

I believe it to be miniature poodle .

Black is the dominant colour in this breed.  In times gone by these were classed as a genetic flaw - now people try to make money by saying they are rare.

sorry i would have said what breed but didint think i was allowed to and yes you were right with the breed

The true parti coloured poodles are being bred from imported parti coloured stock.  Some so called breeders say their puppies are parti puppies when in fact they are simply a mis mark, usually with just a white patch or a spot.

They can be registered with the Kennel Club but as they are not a solid colour are classed as non-recognised.

> sorry i would have said what breed but didint think i was allowed to and yes you were right with the breed

your allowed as long as your not discussing litters etc. essentially anything that could be considered advertising

I would be wary of parti colour poodles at this stage.  They are fairly new over here and starting to take off in popularity and price - it won't be long before we see them popping up all over the place as some people will probably think they are healthier than solid colours.  Best to go with a solid colour proven line for now and wait until the parti lines are long long established in this country - just to weed out the unscrupulous people and lines.  I do agree that they are very striking, but I think there is a long way to go yet for them and I certainly would want a novice poodle owner (sorry if I assume too much) to get a puppy from a well established and respected breeder (which you will only get in the solid lines at the moment).

Parti-colour poodles have been around as long as poddles have existed. I remeber reading a fascinating article about them in Dog World a while back, showing pictures going back centuries of parti-colours. I think it was the Vulcan kennel that was shown with a typical black/white poodle....so parti-colours do (or did) crop up in some of the best lines.

My dogs' mother carries the black and tan gene so yes phantoms and parti's are perfectly natural and do crop up even in the most solid of lines, however the danger now is that they will become a fad, and as we all know with fads it is the dogs that end up suffering.  Poodles were a fad breed once, and suffered, now they are reasonably rare and the health problems are very much under control.  It would be awful for the puppy millers to get their mitts onto parti-poodles.

Also, the danger with showing a parti-colour (as I have seen in horses) is that badly conformed dogs will win the prizes.  I have seen countless badly conformed horses win classes and shows because the "judge" can't judge the conformation correctly due to the break in colour.

' It would be awful for the puppy millers to get their mitts onto parti-poodles.'

Unfortunately 'rare' partis/phantoms/mis-marks are already available at a bumped up price .

I notice that one certain person who imported one to breed has seemingly disappeared from the web .

I think they sort of have, a friend was telling me bout someone who's son has jsut bought a cockerpoo and the dad was a particoloured poodle and the mum was an american cocker - imagine the coat!!
It never even occured to be that they would use yankees!

> imagine the coat!!
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arrgh. thats terrifying.

I suppose they have to call it a cockapoo as ameripoo sounds a bit er, well, rude.

The cross was first popularised in the US so it was always American cockers that were used.  Of course in America they call them simply Cockers (not American Cockers) and ours English Cockers (where here they are simply Cocker Spaniels).