And so it continues A crisis for Crufts

Interesting article. I've been out of the dog side of things for a while so wasn't sure what had happened. Have to say that the KC look pretty bad in all this - and I think the BBC has made the right choice in sticking by its principles following that documentary

I believe that a well known dog magazine editor was the main contributor for this?  Can't see a name mentioned anywhere but I only glossed over it.

It slightly more balanced that a lot I have read.

> I think the BBC has made the right choice in sticking by its principles following that documentary

You mean right up until it went on to choose a champ bred and champ shown St Bernard, one of it's targetted breeds, to star as ..... wait for it .... a show dog and stud dog (no less!) in Eastenders :-o

Methinks they either have no principles or are in full possession of exceptionally lame headed principals ;)

well, there is that... I don't watch EE so I only just put two and two together when I read another thread...

> I don't watch EE

Niether do I.  I am having to get all my info from here :-D

LOL - I don't watch it either but the BBC don't know that from my complaint :-D  Now I'm not so much a non-watcher as a boycotter :-p

> I believe that a well known dog magazine editor was the main contributor for this?  Can't see a name mentioned anywhere but I only glossed over it.

Yes Beverly writes in some detail about her contribution to this article in her http://coldwetnose.blogspot.com/

Fame eh? Who'd of thought it.

> LOL - I don't watch it either but the BBC don't know that from my complaint :-D  Now I'm not so much a non-watcher as a boycotter

Let's hope they don't read this board or our signal really will be cut off! :-D

I wonder if 30 pieces of silver has been affected by the credit crunch ...... :-p

> Yes Beverly writes in some detail about her contribution to this article in her [url=http://coldwetnose.blogspot.com/" rel=nofollow]http://coldwetnose.blogspot.com/[/url]
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How could you?!!!!  :-D  Every board I seem to look at there are links to that blog, primarily posted by the woman herself!  A huge talent for self promotion at least.

LOL, best hope they don't Isabel (crumbs, they'd never take our complaints seriously then :-o )

Lol yes I didn't want to mention her name just in case I got into trouble :-D  (I was trying to be sly!)

> didn't want to mention her name just in case I got into trouble

Oh go on...let yourself go...... :-)

You can only get a cyber spanking on here...no real pain

lol yes ive seen him on EE....ill be watching it on line as i carnt get :(

Where is the fun in a cyber spanking lol? ;-)

No no, no need to giver her any more publicity (she'll only slag me off on her blog then I'll have to get a lawyer etc and it would only ruin my diet as I'd turn to chocolate in my hours of emotional support).  And anyway, you saved me the trouble :-)

you know i couldn't  bare to even keep reading that, i'm so sick of hearing the slanderous tirade- and i don;t even breed or show!!!

> I wonder if 30 pieces of silver has been affected by the credit crunch ...... :-p

lol, its now worth more so is doubly tempting...

Read it through - YAWN!   sick of hearing the same ignorant tosh dressed up in new packaging.   If responsible, caring breeders and owners are seen as the Spawn of Satan, I'd like to know how these people can justify ignoring the plight of puppy farmed pups and their parents simply to make a name for themselves? 

Are we to believe that Crufts cannot 'make ends meet' if the BBC and sundry others don't pay for stalls/space?    How on earth does the LKA survive?

Personally, I'm looking forward to a Crufts without having to dodge around the BBC film crews and the crowds they attract :-D  Hopefully there will be fewer people there who think its about shopping and the dogs are just a nuisance - Bliss!

Several acquaintances have 'reliably informed me' ;) that Crufts is cancelled   owing to the BBC and 'that charity' pulling out :-D :-D  Hopefully many others will believe the same :)

I had a phone call from "that" charity tonight, wanting to know if I would consider starting up a regular monthly donation   I told them (politely of course) that I breed and show pedigree dogs and knowing their stance on that I wouldnt give them a thing - the lady was quite understanding, I wonder how many times she has heard it !

I should think they are beginning to hear it quite often, I told a gentleman from Dogs Trust the same thing in Morrisons the other day when he asked me to sponsor a dog.

Saw the stand in Morrisons as well Fiona and I just bypassed it LOL !!!

I actually used to sponsor a dog with Dog's Trust - for years. I cancelled my direct debit when DT pulled out of Crufts and wrote telling them exactly why I'd done it. My letter back from Clarissa Baldwin said that they had to pull out because of all the  pressure they were getting from the rest of their supporters! I could have continued to argue the point with her re politically motivated animal rights infiltrators etc, but in the end just left it.

I now send the same amount to our own breed rescue where I know it will be used to support dogues in need. Strange times we live in.

2 things came to mind after reading the articlc:  1) Why is the editor of "That Magazine" (as we don't seem to be naming names) being trotted out in so many articles as some sort of impartial counter view point to the KC?  The whole furore must have been heaven sent to the mags. circulaltion, it has been a front page story on several months covers since the programme aired, so her interest in continuing the debacle could certainly be seen as having some degree of business interest behind it. However none of the article mentions that angle.  2) How much sponsorship did Pedigree chuck into the Crufts pot?  I know the public  appear to think that BIS gets a big cash prize, but just how much, apart from the stall rental fees, did they contribute for the "Main Sponsor" thing?  Anyone still got the KC gazette in which accounts are published?

> but just how much, apart from the stall rental fees, did they contribute for the "Main Sponsor" thing?

they buy some of the agility stuff?

Hi Dill,
       Fancy a bet ? I think that by hook or by crook the B.B.C. will manage to show or comment on the Best In Show winner on the evening news
and bugger the hypocricy and there "moral standing" on the matter if there is a chance that its viewing figures might take a drop that night.
Stan Berry

Hi Gwen,
           RE: Pedigree petfoods, they may have withdrawn from Crufts, but does anyone know if they have withdrawn or suspended
there breeders services/packs/deals or am "I BEING CYNICAL IN THINKING NOT" as to do so could and would affect there sales revenue
from breeders, perhaps we should boycott them by buying non pedigree petfood brands for our dogs, enough breeders doing it would soon
get the message through to them via there balance sheet.
Stan Berry

Would be interesting to see if they stop providing prizes at champ shows which is obviously where the dogs qualify for crufts

>        Fancy a bet ? I think that by hook or by crook the B.B.C. will manage to show or comment on the Best In Show winner on the evening news
> and bugger the hypocricy and there "moral standing" on the matter if there is a chance that its viewing figures might take a drop that night.
> Stan Berry

Exactly what I thought, which is why I suggested all dog owners should make a point of NOT having any BBC channels on for the whole of Sunday. I'm sure the other channels will be more than happy to get increased audience figures.

> they have withdrawn or suspended
> there breeders services/packs/deals or am "I BEING CYNICAL IN THINKING NOT" as to do so could and would affect there sales revenue
> from breeders, perhaps we should boycott them by buying non pedigree petfood brands for our dogs, enough breeders doing it would soon
> get the message through to them via there balance sheet.

They have numerous brands, I have discovered that many breeders do not know exactly how many they own. Even so called cheapie foods found in supermarkets are often Pedigree owned. They started out as Chappie originally.

> They have numerous brands,

Pedigree only"own"the food brands that bear their details. Mars Corp who are the global owners of Pedigree own the following:
Chappie(who have been owned by Mars(not Pedigree-Chappie was the original name for Chappie)since 1935)
Cesar (Dog Food)
Nutro
Pedigree(was Chappie & was renamed in 1957 to pedigree)
Royal Canin
Spillers
Techni-Cal
Frolic

Stan, hard to boycott when I don't buy that tosh anyways!! ;-)

Hi ANNM172,
                 Surely if they have a problem with the pedigree dogs being shown at Crufts this "should logically"
carry over to all dog shows for pedigree dogs, unless !!! you happen to be a large company that relies on these
shows as a means of reaching your targeted potential customers. So called Moral ethics and balance sheets never make
good bedfellows as they may well find out with luck
Regards
   Stan

Pedigree's target market is pet owners with pet dogs who want to buy the dog food at the same time as the rest of family shopping :)

Hense why the support rescue centres and have an affordable food. ;)

Hi Polly,
        Unfortunately I cant get down in person this year, as have a litter of 7  three and a half week old pups to look after
so will be relying on feedback from those people I know who are going down plus the dog papers/magazines.
Dont really think will miss BBC coverage that much though, it never was really comprehensive and seemed to spend more time
concentrating on presenters and so called celebrities rather than the dogs in the ring.
Has anyone heard if any other broadcasters are airing anything to plug the gap ?
Regards
    Stan

Crufts will be online this year

Hi Ice Queen,
                 They also have departments and services specifically for breeders and to continue with these (as they no doubt will)
smacks of hypocricy in the first degree. If they really have an issue with pedigree dog breeding in this country they should have
the strength of their convictions in total and not just those that wont cost them money by withdrawal from Crufts.
Regards
   Stan

Hi Stan,  I saw on teh Dog World site that a company called Sunset & Vine are recording Crufts and it will be streamed live on the Kennel Club website.  As far as I know it is not being shown on TV - like you I don't think the usual BBC coverage was up to much anyway.  I will be there on Saturday (showing) and on Sunday (spectating).  I'll wait and see what changes there are at the show but as this is only my second time I am not sure I will notice too much!!  Tiffy

Thanks moonmaiden will check out K.C. site for link
Regards
    Stan

Ouch!!!!!!!!!!
     Mars bars are the one and only sweet I ever eat.
Stan

They don't have an issue with pedigree dog breeding.  They just couldn't afford/didn't want to sponsor dog shows anymore.  They didn't have (and couldn't make) a premium brand of dog food to compete with the likes of arden grange, eukanuba etc aswell as RC and JWB which are owned by mars.  It was more of a business plan to just have two foods concentrating on the dog showers/breeders and the rest on the pet market (two compleatly different markets)  They still offer the breeders service as they do have loyal customers and need a fod to still feed their dogs ;)

> Pedigree only"own"the food brands that bear their details. Mars Corp who are the global owners of Pedigree own the following:
> Chappie(who have been owned by Mars(not Pedigree-Chappie was the original name for Chappie)since 1935)
> Cesar (Dog Food)
> Nutro
> Pedigree(was Chappie & was renamed in 1957 to pedigree)
> Royal Canin
> Spillers
> Techni-Cal
> Frolic

And don't forget James Wellbeloved
As said above their decision was financial not as portrayed in the general media. Their timng was lousy though, and they could have at least stayed for this Crufts only as was the original plan.

Today I received an email asking that everyone at Crufts with a dog put pictures of their dogs playing and perhaps lazing on the sofa, on their bench. Also add this dog is regularly health tested and health tested prior to breeding. Wouldn't it be brilliant if every bench had this on it? Imagine...............

Good idea

Please everyone spread the word about the picture idea. It would be fantastic if every bench displayed the pictures and health info.

Polly, with every respect, I can't see a need for this.

It's almost an admission of guilt, a need to prove that we're not really baddies.
The general public at Crufts will be mainly folk who own dogs themselves, love dogs and are intesested in them....the few others don't need pleading with.

If anyone going to Crufts wants to know what breeders are doing - they only need to ask.
Putting photos of my dogs lounging on my sofa will look like it's something I feel I need to prove ....to whom?

This just seems like a 'Post Jemmima- ism' and I'm not so influenced by that.
Sorry Polly.

I received the email and passed it on. I did think it was a good idea, not for the public as such but for those members of the press who turn to JH and BC for every comment on dogs under the sun. Thankfully it is a free world and we can all reply as we see fit, or not as we feel we do not need to prove we are better than painted by JH and BC. I won't have a dog at Crufts because I will be working for the paper.

Hi Polly,    
         Good idea about the photos, etc. I do agree with the other post that "WE SHOULDNT HAVE TO PROVE OURSELVES"
but sometimes in the real world you have to react to circumstances not of your own making, perhaps it could be carried on
to all benched shows as a statement of our commitment to the well being of our dogs.
A possible plus side of this would be to differentiate to the public those exhibitors/breeders who do/do not ,carry out relevant
health screening, might even encourage minority of "do nots" to have screening done on their dogs or risk standing out like a
sore thumb at shows and risk losing potential enquiries, would also go some way to contradicting Jemmimas biased and highly
selective reporting given that a further programe is in the pipeline for later this year.
Stan Berry

Hi (again) Polly,
                    Why not, as I will do, blank out watching the B.B.C.for the full duration of Crufts
or even full week, this would show on there ratings much better if enough people do it.
Stan