At a Limit show are you allowed to withdraw from a AVNSC class in order to remain unbeaten and therefore eligible for BIS? I know at Open shows you can but are not allowed to withdraw from breed classes but what about the limit show? KC have been contacted and advised you can but again mixed opinions!

These are some question that have come up recently when some of my friend have been showing & the rules & regs course didn't cover these!

I thought that the rules were set for all types of show the same. But if you are entered in avnsc it is because there are no breed classes available so if you withdrew you wouldnt show at all !??? You would have to win best avnsc to cmpete for bis

Sorry Limited shows are so rare and I have never been to one and to be honist as I don't have to know I'm not sure of the rules. Know it is less that 75 classes, but could even be wrong about that. :)

Scooby there are two sorces for the rules that goven the running of shows. The Kennel Club Year Book or the book of rules that they have just brought out. Or Jack Peachey who writes for Dog World and is known to be THE athority on KC rules, I'm told that even the KC consult him to find out what their rules mean. It would apear that he welcomes notes or calls. :)

Hi,
In my neck of the woods there are still quite a few Limited shows about. The classification is sometimes quite strange, and it's common to find very few breed classes available.Therefor AVNSC could well be near the end of the show after classes such as AV Gundog, AV Bred by Exhibitor, AV Handled by a Lady and so on. So the answer to the original question is yes, you can withdraw from an AVNSC class in order to remain unbeaten and elligible for BIS.
Some might say that when only one Judge is involved there is nothing to be gained by withdrawing, the judge either likes your dog or not.
I withdrew only once, at a non group system open show, My boy won BOB, but was entered in an AV Gundog class under a different judge, a different judge again was doing BIS, I was lucky Bailey won BIS that day!!Dawn R.

Oh I am glad it isn't just me. I thought if I admitted that I had never been to one people might think me elitist. Nothing further from the truth, as my favourite shows are the Exemption ones, but sadly with the young girls having done too much winning, only my Veterans are still eligible, though at some the older one isn't, as they don't allow dogs with Stud Book numbers or Junior Warrrants at some of them, as well as the usual no CC or RCC winners allowed.

I like a good Open show, but only if there are several classes that my dogs can enter. I often now find that they are only eligible for Open AVNSC or Breed, and there are no variety classes other than puppy qand Veteran stakes. In this instance I can't be bothered to enter two dogs in the same class, so don't bother at all! If there is only Open (Both my girls are above Post Graduate) then I can only take one of them.

Becomes a vicious circle for societies. They reduce the number of classes due to lack of support, so would be supporters like me don't go as there are too few classes for the dogs I am showing.

For me it isn't going to get any better, as I am unlikely to have another puppy to show for two years.

You mention your young girls are not eligible for exemption shows because of too much winning. At what point do they become uneligible?

Thanks
Wendy

You are not eligible if you have a stud book number and to get that you have to have won a CC,RCC,JW or been placed high in Limit or open class, this last differs from breed to breed in Brainless's breed it is 1st or 2nd in Open. :)

Of course you are not eligible if you are an import breed as they never have classes at them at these shows.

Is that really right that Imp. Register can't enter an exemption show thought they were open to all even if they are not registered. :)

Have just looked at the KC little Red Book, last years and it would appear that the 'F(1) p20' rules are the same for Champion, Open & Limited Shows, this is the rule with regard to withdrawing in order to remain unbeaten. Hope that helps, Ja:)kie

Think there may be a problem with regard to the understanding of AVNSC classes with regard to withdrawing, I think these classes are considered the same as breed classes and of course a dog will only be in AVNSC if there are no breed classes for this particular dog. It must complete the AVNSC classes and be declared Best of AVNSC or Best Puppy AVNSC in order to go forward to BIS or BPIS. You can withdraw from AV puppy after you have been the highest placed puppy and go onto BPIS at Open shows when they are not judged on the group system. Ja:)kie again

I was told by the KC a no. of years ago that they could not be entered even in the fun classes as they did not have a recognised standard and due to it being a KC run show. If it's not a KC run show then you can enter.

Things could have changed though as that was a while ago. At the time I had entered one in the breed classes and won best in show!!

Oh by the way Jacqui they were asking about Limit shows not exemption shows.

Was talking about Limited Shows in my last post, things seem to have got at cross purposes. Imp Reg can only enter when their are classes in Champ., Open & Limited but can at least enter in the fun classes at exemption show, will have to look up to see if they can enter the pedegree classes. Ja:)kie

Thank you everyone! Your views are appreciated!