The artists impressions of your breed on the KC web site now the revised breed standards have been published?

My breed is definately represented by a "designer dog" since it bears little resemblence to a correctly made flatcoat.

Oh I wondered what all that was about - I stumbled across one of them which I think must have been one of the first ones done because I was surprised & checked a number of other breeds who all had their original photos. I thought it looked awful, just checked my other breed and I'm not impressed with that either :( Bring back the photos! (What on earth was wrong with them? Ah..hold that thought, I suppose it was because of certain breeds like the GSD?)

I've just looked at the Mastiff breed standard, to me the picture shows something different than the written standard. The written standard describes 'hocks bent' where in the picture, one hind leg (the one foremost in the pic) looks straight hocked. Also the written standard states upright pasterns, are the pasters in the pic upright? The tail is meant to reach the hocks, but it doesn't in the pic.
I'm new to Mastiffs and don't show, somebody who knows the physical attributes of the breed from a show perspective I'm sure will find many more faults.

> The artists impressions of your breed on the KC web site now the revised breed standards have been published?

GSD - hm must be PC here b awful
Bearded Collie- hm must be PC again b awful
Border Collie- OMG
Cavalier-

Did junior school kids draw them ?

> Did junior school kids draw them ?

You pipped me to the post there!! Look at the docked Griffon Bruxellois what the........!?

Dalmatian! Erk!

I believe the GSD was drawn by Brian Wootton MM.  Much better than the last pic that there IMHO.

Oh I quite like the GSD, that sketch looks a lot like the first shepherd I had although shorter in body. I agree the border collie is hideous, let's hope they don't breed for heads like that :-)

The borzoi is atrocious, it certainly wouldn't win anything under me. It's completely straight in upper arm, short, stuffy upright neck, no bend of stifle and doesn't look at all elegant. The worst thing about it is I know the bitch that the sketch is taken from and she's lovely. They've kept her markings, head and coat etc but somehow straightened her all out! If that sketch came to life it wouldn't move at all well, I'd expect it to have short choppy steps at the front and no drive behind.

Well I've got some of his GSD cold cast figures(gifts)& they are b awful too, as an artist he makes a good judge of dogs

yuck yuck yuck to the Irish red and White Setter.....

Oh!

HWV - any reason why the docked and undocked versions look like completely different dogs?!!

maybe they have to dock something, so if the tail remains undocked they trim a bit off the ears :-)

It's not by Brian at all it's the same artist as lots of the other drawings Jo Van Kampen

I stand corrected, i was told by someone at our breed club that it was Brian :)

Wow, hadn't seen them before!  The Americna Cocker one is not too bad - don't quite understadn the tail length and carriage in the non docked version, and personally woudl be disapointed ot breed one with a head like those in the illustrations, but the rest is OK, paart form a few fine points.  The pug one is a different matter - who on earth OKd it I wonder?  A roached back and low tail set, plus a nose roll completely contrary to the changes!

LOL you can go back & tell them they are wrong then ;-)

Norwegian Elkhound. http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/item/32

Looks undershot to me, and the tails falling off the back end.

What happened to the newfie, did someone forget to add proper sized legs !!!!!

Peanuts

PS the Bulldog does not look any different.!!

what can i say about the spanish water dog two photos of them ????????

We have also got two, they look like different dogs :(

>GSD - hm must be PC here b awful

Lol, well it was a pic of an Alsatian; this one is a bit 'middle' of the road. I like it actually, no extremes anywhere and it's better than the last one IMO.

very interesting if you go to the KC picture library you can see in most breeds I've looked at where the drawing has come from....it's just a picture.  Easily seen in breeds with markings :)

Also credit's who the artist is :)

Just taken a look, I see what you mean :)

have you seen the leonberger......its got a chicken drumstick for a back leg!!!!!

Barbara

Lol Barbara,
It actually does, how odd :)

English Setter - I think the KC need to invest some money in better scanning equipment as I can't tell whether the drawing is of a blue, tan, liver belton or tri! Or is it even a setter?

> very interesting if you go to the KC picture library you can see in most breeds I've looked at where the drawing has come from....it's just a picture

Wow! Yes, I've just looked nd the Mastiff drawing is definately taken from the pic that is in the library (I think it was the previous breed standrd photo). Why on earth use those drawings if they are the same as the original dogs they are coppied from???

It's odd how an undocked rottweiler looks nothing like a docked rottweiler. The undocked one I doubt I'd recognise as a rottie ...

Ooh I'll go and have a look.  To be truthful can't be worse than the photo of the Spanish that was already on there!  Although my Dilita is on certain pages of the KC website so that's nice.

Phew, the Spanish one isn't too bad, looks like a cross between my Dilita and Calida! 

Though the top one could say natural bobtail rather than docked!!

http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/item/119

The Border Collie looks like a rocking horse!

They should run a competition that you get a free trip to Crufts if you can guess what each dog is supposed to be :-)

The Buhund http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/item/142 isn't bad at all - apart from the rocking horse stance. Personally, I think the GSD is an improvement on the photo they used before!

Oh Oh I also appear to have an elephant Border as his legs are a lot longer than the squat beastie on the KC website.

Why is the American Cocker's long tail shaved, when the standard says that the feathering should be in proportion of the rest of the coat?

Vera

I think that most of the docked / undocked versions look like different dogs :-(

Not good when you want a visual in your mind re breed standards

> I think that most of the docked / undocked versions look like different dogs :-(
>

Definitely true of the Cocker drawings - the undocked one looks like someone has chopped half the legs off and is totally unbalanced (the docked one is far from perfect either with a dodgy top line and a strange head)

Oh dear - the Ridgeback is dire :(

But I did find a picture of one of mine in their library of images :)

How foolish IMO that the KC has gone down this route - to prove what, who knows, perhaps that shooting itself in the foot need not be a one off experience .....

Presumably adding cartoon like images to Breed Standards was hailed as forward thinking - not something for which the KC is known, unsurprisingly.

At best my breed is depicted by a caricature and a very poor one at that.  Regardless of personal preferences in type or stamp, this cartoon meets little of the requirements in the wording of the standard so why it was thought suitable is beyond me.

Just looked at the BMD one...what happened to the forehand!!! Looks deformed. Not the best move the KC have ever made producing these drawings eh????
Aileen
Just had another look, think it's got three front legs...one pionting the wrong way! LOL

The keeshond is pretty awful too. Too long in the body, not compact or square,bum high, not to mention the tail! The breed is getting pretty rangey anyway so a pic like that isnt going to do it any favours.
http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/item/165

I desperately want to support The Kennel Club and help get it sorted out, but they seems to make it more difficult with every move! :(

Ugggh, the poodles! They are supposed to be identical in all respects apart from the size.  The "docked" tails are awful - "hacked off" more like.  The Standard poodle is ugly as anything - the photographs they had previously for all 3 sizes were much much better.  The miniature poodle drawings are the best but only because there is so much hair and the undocked one is black so you can't really see it properly.

Unfortunately this was a bad decision by the KC.

The Cav isn't too bad except a bit long nosed, but those American cockers are hideous - even my George could beat them in the ring! :-)

The Australian Shepherd.... well what can I say, it resembles a winner from previous years......
I won't write what I think, am bound to upset someone !!! :-(

Gabrielle

Unfortunately if you read the artist's website she takes herself rather seriously and believes these drawings fill the brief of being anotomically correct examples of the breeds without any exagerations but also with artistic merit. Ho hum

> she takes herself rather seriously

Hmmm, but not so the art of capturing a likeness - does a bit of judging then (whoops, did I just write that :-D )

If I was to get a pup that looked like the illustration of the min pin I would send the dog back!!!!  Where is the arch in neck?  Why do they put straight shoulders on?  (and the CKC standard is very very close the the KC standard - apart from the ears and size of the dog) And the hocks in the standard says "Turns neither in nor out" and the undocked min pin, has horrible hocks.  The artist needs to read the breed standard better. 

Doesn't look like a nice Leo to me...
http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/item/54
Looks like the front and back end of the dog are different pair!
Bum high, no angulation at the back and pretty long too...
Very weird shading (black neck and in front of and behind the front leg) that I don't really see point of doing in a picture that is drawn!

Several of the ones I've looked at I think are pretty decent drawings, in as much as they fairly accurately represent the photo they're taken from. (Most are fairly obvious in the Kennel Club library if you follow the link.)

However, the 'quality' of the dogs in the photos gives a pretty poor place to start from! How on earth can the KC library hold photos of such grotty dogs LOL?

M.