Hi,

Just a quickie about advertising in free papers.
This is not in relation to litters of pups. This is about older pups, teens and above.

When you see a notice in a free ad, how does it make you feel? Do you think that these people have the right intentions? If not a breed which is always in general rescue say Staffs, BC'S etc then why aren't these people going back to the breeders or breed rescue?? Is making money back on the dog immoral and wrong?
Do you think they care where these dogs end up?

I just wondered as i get upset when i see certain breeds being advertised. Surely the welfare of the dog is paramount, not the money you can make back on it..Do you think you could find the perfect owner from going through free ad's?

Just spoke to my father who is very old fashioned and he couldn't see anything wrong in this, he said well if people want money then whats the problem - I almost burst with frustration.. He will never listen.. I also added to him that in general good breeders don't advertise they have a list long enough before they consider a mating. Or word of mouth brings the list in..

Right off my soap box now!!!

> This is about older pups, teens and above.

No I don't like it at all.  But I know that lots of people disagree with having a dog in a multi dog household, when it could go to a home where it has the attention.  We all feel differently about this.  My mentor lets his ex breeding girls go to pet homes, where he feels that they will get the individual attention. 

I have girls, who, after needing a C-section, they have been spayed.  But I love them too much to let them go.  I have girls, that, for one reason or another, have never been used for breeding.  But I love them, and they stay.  Yes, it means that I own more neutered dogs than entire dogs, but, as I have no issues with my dogs getting on in harmony, I do what is right for me.  I know there are CD'ers that disagree with me, but I'm entitled to do what I feel is right for my pals.

I think suejaw is talking about individuals selling a pet that they are wishing to part with for some reason or another, Jean, not breeders.
I don't have any problem with breeders advertising where ever they like because the issue is whether they vet properly but like you, suejaw, I think it very sad when I see pet dogs being found new homes in this way as I doubt the sellers have the experience to conduct that vetting and know the wrinkles that puppy farmers pull to get their hands on an entire dog with papers, for instance.  I suspect in a lot of cases it is not so much making some money but that they have bought them from dealers or the sort of breeder that would not be interested in helping anyway.  If it is a more unusual breed I think it is worth passing on the details to their rescue service as many of these will be very proactive in offering help to people advertising.

I too think it is sad, and is often a sign of having bought on a whim or without proper thougth inot the breed, or indeed inot the problems of having any puppy - you need to be prepared and have time!   And I always hope, when I see such an ad, that at least they have contacted the breeder, although I agree many of them will be byb or puppy farm bred.  But not sure about the reference to contacting rescue - as a Rescue, we have to advertise dogs needing homes ourselves, and in lots of cases I firmly believe that it is much less upsetting for a dog to go direct form one home to new home, rather than having to be in a rescue kennel or fostered before going to new home.

I had a friend who sold a young dog in the papers. She could have offered him free but in her mind by asking for money she thought she would get a better home. she would say people take better care of things they have to pay for... And she thought the price was fair since she did train him several things. Also people looking for a dog for unpleasant purposes are not likely wanting to pay anything more than a token fee.
My daughter ,who cannot afford a dog, has just gotten one because he was free. I tried telling her to think things over and not to rush into things. But he was free and now she think shes going to use him for breeding simply because he is a pedigree. I expect to get him within a few months. Especially since he is a year and not house trained ,has no manners and eats a wide range of items not intended for eating. She can't afford insurance and his first several days home she fed him cat food because she couldn't afford dog food AND to top it off she has 5 cats as well.

If they had advertised him for a fee she wouldn't have been able to take him on a whim like that. So in a way sometimes if you are genuine in your reasons asking for money maybe isn't a bad thing.

> I firmly believe that it is much less upsetting for a dog to go direct form one home to new home, rather than having to be in a rescue kennel or fostered before going to new home.

I appreciate that but you would hope that the rescue would assist in finding suitable homes even if it is just advise regarding vetting, not allowing dog to go with papers etc.

Of course some of the adverts may be by the breeder trying to find one a new home after having it back, but I agree largely they are from people trying to recoup on a purchase they no longer want.

Our breed rescue make contact when such adverts are brought to their attention by peopel in the bred and often they turn out to be Puppy farm/byb dogs no longer wanted.

> but I agree largely they are from people trying to recoup on a purchase they no longer want.
>

I find that so very, very sad.

I am sadly in a situation at the moment where I'm going to have to let my boy go. He's the one in my avatar and I totally adore him and dreading it when the right people come along.  I would never, ever advertise him in anything like this kind of paper/internet site.

Sadly there are times when circumstances arise that you have no control over, but when dogs are in these kind of supplements I usually feel that it's more that they are fed-up of them rather than the dog having to be rehomed for a specific reason.

I agree that they are generally advertised in this way to re-coup monetary losses, otherwise they would contact the breeder.

Some are just naive and think they will find a good home but are often not very good at vetting, but my blood boils when I see these ads and they put that a bitch/dog is un-neutered (would make a great breeding bitch, stud) it's more than obvious where these poor dogs will end up.

Anyone wishing to re-home a dog that they have bought by mistake, (often people don't realise the hard work involved) and often for whatever reason mainly embarrassment in some cases don't return to breeder they really should contact their breed rescue, at least they will vet for a good home and know the breed and what kind of owner it entails, often a dog can stay in the home until someone suitable comes along.

I've stopped looking at these free ads, there are hundereds and hundereds of unwanted dogs being advertised, it's very sad and they may well be passed on yet again, I wish they would take them back to breeder. :-(

> I don't have any problem with breeders advertising where ever they like because the issue is whether they vet properly but like you, suejaw, I think it very sad when I see pet dogs being found new homes in this way as I doubt the sellers have the experience to conduct that vetting and know the wrinkles that puppy farmers pull to get their hands on an entire dog with papers, for instance.

I don't see the difference tbh.  for me a dog is for life regardless of whether you are a breeder or a pet owner.  The animal can't tell the difference and has no idea of it's purpose, whether it's role is one of family pet or puppy producer.

I meant breeders with puppies to sell although I don't, personally, have much of an issue with breeders wishing to find pet homes for bitches after a litter. That is getting off the point though, which is it makes me sad and worried that the people advertising do not always have the experience to differentiate between good and bad homes.

I have a real problem with people reselling pets, if they were not a suitable home, how on earth can they vet new owners for suitability, especially puppies.

i saw an ad the other day for 2 cats aged 2, owner having to rehoming as shes pregnant. she states " please only contact if serious, we want them to go to a loving home who will care for them as much as we have". think thats a bit rich! cats can live for 20 years, if you get one whilst of a particular age (and sex!), then there is a chance you will fall pregnant within their lifetime. i think its very sad :(