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Topic Dog Boards / Behaviour / just can't stopthe biting!!!!!!
- By Dave_Smith [gb] Date 10.11.02 14:23 UTC
hi everyone

Just found this forum :-)

I have a English Springer Spaniel Puppy (now 14 weeks) wehave had him since he was 6 weeks old. He is a lovely dog and and is so loving and loyal. But we just cant seem to stop him biting us.

Its not nasty biting or anything .its purely playing but we just cant get him to break the habbit..

Anything anyone can recommend?
Is it normal for a 14 week old springer?

Thanx
Dave..
- By Melodysk [gb] Date 10.11.02 14:29 UTC
Hi Dave :)

If you go to the Search facility at the top of the page and type in BITING it will bring up a whole load of threads on the subject :) There is plenty of good advice in there which may help you

Melody
- By Dave_Smith [gb] Date 10.11.02 14:30 UTC
thanx melody.

i will now :-)
- By Craigy [gb] Date 10.11.02 21:52 UTC
Hi Dave,

It is normal for a puppy to play bite, but this should be stopped now. Springers as I am sure you are aware have one of the highest levels of dominance aggression to people among all breeds. Seek the help of a Behaviour Practitioner.
- By DaveN [gb] Date 10.11.02 23:27 UTC
Craigy, I didn't know springers had one of the highest levels of dominance aggression to people. Can I ask where this info came from? Was it from your extensive canine behaviour experience?
- By muddydogs [gb] Date 11.11.02 09:45 UTC
:( I didn't either!!:( julie - whose spaniels are a 'joy to behold!!' :D julie:)
- By eoghania [de] Date 11.11.02 07:46 UTC
"Seek the help of a Behaviour Practitioner".

Hmmm, that's the third post you've said that on... Are you advertising or seeking business? Is your email addy part of your work?

I am interested in the sweeping statement you made:
Springers as I am sure you are aware have one of the highest levels of
dominance aggression to people among all breeds


First I've ever heard of this "fact" that a dog owner is supposed to be "aware" of. Springers? What a load of nonsense. :(
But a nice scare tactic. :rolleyes: Wherever did you dig that tidbit of info up? Where's the source of this claim? Anything to back this up?
Please don't scare the polite people who come here looking for help. It's not nice :(
toodles :cool:
- By JoFlatcoat (Moderator) [gb] Date 11.11.02 08:47 UTC
'one of the highest levels of dominance aggression to people among all breeds.'........sorry, Craigy, what a load of ******* (Those who know me know that I don't usually stoop to such language!) E.must be right about your e-mail address!!!!

Don't worry, it's perfectly normal behaviour for a young pup who is just beginning to lose his baby teeth, so is chewing on everything. Should be fairly easily controlable by the above means of squealing and ignoring, and in addition, give him plenty of safe chew items (but not rawhide knots which can get the knots chewed through and cause a blockage).

Begin to teach the pup to go down, if you haven't already, and plenty of quiet praise when he does without mouthing you.

Can forward the sheet I give to my puppy people on this subject if you like.

Jo and the Casblaidd Flatcoats
- By Leigh [gb] Date 11.11.02 09:14 UTC

>>one of the highest levels of dominance aggression to people among all breeds.


Poppycock!

>>Seek the help of a Behaviour Practitioner.


Please read the forum Terms of Service. You agreed to abide by them before you started to post. Advertising your business is not allowed on this forum.

O, and welcome to the forum Craigy :-)
- By SpeedsMum [gb] Date 13.11.02 23:57 UTC
Craigy - i've never heard of Springers having any particular predisposition to dominance aggression either. i'm also curious as to where you got this info...
- By eoghania [de] Date 14.11.02 07:31 UTC
Hi Annette and welcome to the forum.

Urp, to answer your question without stirring up the muddled waters....basically there was a huge stink about this 'claim' on Monday night. The thread "Springer --aggression" was an offshoot of this statement and went into more detail. Supposedly questionares and a 'thesis' was accomplished to support this broad statement...but it's doubtful that this went on.

To be blunt, this started with the intent of stirring up trouble. The 'offshoot' thread has been edited and normal balance of peace has been restored (thanks, Leigh ;) ) But please feel free to visit the other thread and input your thoughts :)
toodles :cool:
- By Leigh [gb] Date 14.11.02 12:27 UTC
Me thinks you are after my job ;-) :P
- By eoghania [de] Date 14.11.02 12:46 UTC
MOI?????? Perish the thought!!!! :eek: :O :eek:

I never could have the patience and skill that you gracefully personify, Leigh. ....
Besides, I'm just trying to maneuver into your good graces again :) :D :)
Is it working yet? :rolleyes: :P :) ;) :D
:cool:

Yeah...I know.... Cheeky Yank I'm hanging my head in shame now
;) :) :D :)
- By Dallover [gb] Date 11.11.02 02:13 UTC
Hi, when the pup bites, make a squeal noise and ignore him for five minutes. Then play again, repeat is necessary. Then he will realise that biting is not good and hurts. Do not punish. Then when he plays and holds/catches with mouth without biting, treat immediately and praise. It works if consistant.

Bite=ignore=no play
gentle play=treat

works for me

regards
Jackie
- By Kerioak Date 11.11.02 09:51 UTC
I have never really heard of the squeal method being effective as this is only done by very young pups when the first start playing and seems to wind the older ones up.

A fast, firm, hand over muzzle with a NO! or Enough! close to their head seems to work better. If you need to do it more than a couple of times in each session you are not being fast enough - practice on your other hand to see how firm and fast you are being.

He will also be teething soon if he isn't now which can also affect the amount he mouths and bites everything around

Christine
- By Jackie H [gb] Date 11.11.02 10:17 UTC
Have to agree the squeal method does not work on my lot after about 8 weeks, I use the withdrawal of my attention after that age, find the only trouble is teaching the rest of the family to do the same. Think I need the services of a people trainer :)
- By Melodysk [gb] Date 11.11.02 10:20 UTC
Same with us with Hudson ...he thought it was a great game if we squealed when he nipped. We soon put a stop to that! We would stand up and cross our arms until he sat or lay down quietly

Melody
- By eoghania [de] Date 11.11.02 10:23 UTC
Ah, the dreaded 'stare'.... works great in classrooms too :) :D :)
:cool:
- By Jackie H [gb] Date 11.11.02 13:34 UTC
Ah, yes Bitches, Teachers & Mother have all learned the look Ja:)kie
- By dollface Date 11.11.02 15:32 UTC
I always heard that the terrier breed was more dominant. :confused: O'well... I think any dog is just depends on how you raise them, and where their place is in your family. I have never heard that one before about springers. :eek:
- By Jackie H [gb] Date 11.11.02 17:13 UTC
You will hear generalisations, Hounds are Stubborn, Terriers are dominant, Working/Gundogs are easy and Toys are noisy. Well all I can say is my hounds are able to be all of that and more. Think that the way you handle different breeds may need to be different but all dogs are individual and although if well bred will carry the breed traits it is just not that simple. You can't say "its a such & such a breed, there for it will be stubbon or whatever" :)
- By eoghania [de] Date 11.11.02 17:16 UTC
Don't know anything about a reputation for being dominant, but terriers are certainly independent cusses, usually accompanied by a strong stubborn streak ;) :) :D :D :D :D Who ever heard of a weak willed rat???? :confused: :P ;) :eek:

Toys are only yappy and annoying if their owners allow them to be :rolleyes: :P
:cool:
- By Dave_Smith [gb] Date 11.11.02 21:17 UTC
[quote]Hi Dave,

It is normal for a puppy to play bite, but this should be stopped now. Springers as I am sure you are aware have one of the highest levels of dominance aggression to people among all breeds. Seek the help of a Behaviour Practitioner.

[/quote]

thanx for the reply but i am not quite that stupid.
as far far as i am aware springers are one of the most loyal and and have one of the best tempermants (spelling???) of all dogs ..ad it is quite clear to me now that my dog does not need to see a behaviourist at all... I just wanted some advice on how others stopped this play biting...thats all...

Dominant????????? codswallop indeed. he can't bar to be away from me for 1 min....
:-)
- By Lindsay Date 14.11.02 17:36 UTC
I agree Dave, puppy behaviour such as you have described certainly does not have anything to do with aggression or dominance :). It's just terribly - normal :)

Lindsay
- By Loraine [gb] Date 23.02.03 15:30 UTC
I have an 18 week old ESS and he is only just beginning to stop mouthing play biting us, i have noticed a gradual decrease over the last 6 weeks. I spoke to my dog trainer about the problem and she said that it is perfectly normal and told me to try ignoring him, which did not work. Another suggestion was to use a water spray when he bites we found this really effective. I keep a couple of spray bottles with water in different rooms and my puppy only needs to see the bottles to stop mouthing. I have also used this method to stop other unwanted behaviour, in particular barking at and leaping on my 6 yr old daughter and my cat. I know lots of people who have one or more springers and have never heard of dominance aggression being a problem with this breed, in fact many people get springers because they are so loyal and family oriented. Anyway good luck with your puppy i'm sure this is just a phase.

Loraine
- By alannewmanmoore [gb] Date 24.02.03 08:50 UTC
Hi Dave

Try a John Rogerson trick and taste detterant using bitter apple or try hot chillies smeared on your fingers as one person suggested just hope your dog not into hot chille human fingers.
- By sweetpea [gb] Date 29.03.03 07:11 UTC
Hi Dave
it's a bit late for a reply, because you've hopefully either cured your biting problem now or more likely it's cured itself, but just to join in the general conversation - we have a dachshund puppy of nearly fifteen weeks, he's still play biting ( it can get a bit painful, but is definitely NOT vicious! ) and saying No! then ignoring him helps a lot - if it gets really bad, he gets shut out of the room for ten minutes, and returns a reformed character!
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