everyone on here has there diffrent breeds whats ur best tips u tell ppl whn they ask about grooming in ur breed

I tell them to visit my site which I've written an article on grooming the breed, did that YEARS ago and still haven't got pictures even though I keep getting nagged!  One day I will, I promise! LOL

ill have to check it out i dont groom any setters but always good to know how to do them properley

the reason i put this up is because the other day i had a cocker in who the owner wants to show she has been taking it to a collage to be groomed and after speaking to some cocker show ppl has now found out that appently the collage has ruined the coat

they have clipped the head witch i thought u didnt do on a handstripp cocker

she was saying she was going to bring the dog to me for grooming but i dont think i wil be able to make it show standard

just got me thinking on what good tips u say to pet groomers like me who want to be able to groom to show standard

also can any cocker ppl tell me if u clip or stripp clip down the ears i know it is down to the jaw line is ths correct?

the collage has ruined the coat
You know my opinion of college grooming teaching! :(

The way that I learned to perfect show trims was to go to Champ Shows and watch the exhibitors.  I'd explain why I wanted to know after they'd been in the ring.  I didn't find anyone to be unhelpful.  I'd spend the whole day around one breed ring and then study a different breed next time.  I used these skills to make pet trims as near as possible to show trims, bearing in mind that the owners wouldn't have quite the time and dedication of the exhibitors and so they'd be a little shorter but still recognisable for their breed.

> The way that I learned to perfect show trims was to go to Champ Shows and watch the exhibitors.  I'd explain why I wanted to know after they'd been in the ring.  I didn't find anyone to be unhelpful.  I'd spend the whole day around one breed ring and then study a different breed next time.  I used these skills to make pet trims as near as possible to show trims, bearing in mind that the owners wouldn't have quite the time and dedication of the exhibitors and so they'd be a little shorter but still recognisable for their breed.

This is what I suggest to anyone who asks LOL

It's also what I do myself, I love watching people getting their dogs ready for the ring ;) I've not met anyone yet who wasn't happy to explain how to achieve the right 'look' :-D

I don't think there are any shortcuts to learning to groom the different breeds ;) If it's worth doing, it's worth doing well ! ;)

I met the local dog shearer at the park last year.  It was the day before a Ch Show so you can imagine how my dogs looked ;)  she was saying how she wouldn't know how to do the proper clip with the one of my breed that she grooms, he just gets an all off :(  and suggested I do dog grooming for a living :-D :-D :-D   I offered to give her some pointers but she wasn't interested :(  can't imagine why she doesn't do something else if she's really not interested, all the dogs I've seen/met that she does get the same treatment :(

ill learnt at a collage but god i knew hardly anything when i left ive learnt so much since then was 4 yrs ago i left tho
i dont drive so i dont get to go to champ shows i can only learn more about breeds on places like this and from fellow grooming friends

i know what all breeds should look like in my head  and like u i do breed standard trims most of the time but shorter

I don't think there are any shortcuts to learning to groom the different breeds  If it's worth doing, it's worth doing well !

i want to turn my dogs out well thats why i want to know the correct way to do them

god dill if u had offered me the chance a one on one lesson on beddies i would of jumped at the chance i dont groom any at the mo but thats my next breed of dog that i will have in the future i love them

Check your PMs :-)

there nothing there yet

give a girl a chance LOL

Try now - you've got 2 for good measure :-D :-D

I'll try to put a link to a finished photo in my profile ;)

feel free to PM, or e-mail me anytime for advise on setters, can't offer for any other breeds mind but had lots of practise on my red and whites.

i dont drive so i dont get to go to champ shows i can only learn more about breeds on places like this and from fellow grooming friends

Then find your local ring craft class and talk to exhibitors there.  Or contact the breed club of whichever breed you want to learn about and arrange to visit a local breeder.  I've found that breeders are only to happy to help groomers and we all hate to see our own breed shaved to within an eighth of an inch of their skin. :)

Local open shows are also good - not so far to travel and you can still find breed specialists and Ch show people ;)  Its a very relaxed atmosphere usually too ;)

Just a thought...

Crufts is coming up in March, Discover Dogs would be a great place to get grooming tips for the serious dog groomer - and the cost of the trip would be tax deductable as it's for further training to improve your skills :-D

Just remember to keep the receipts for the tax return :-D

I'm more than happy to show anyone how to prepare a gordon Setter. My any is very hairy and a lot of work. They do have a different type of coat to the other Setters. I learned by watching and asking other exhibitors how they do various bits. In fact still do!

jill

also can any cocker ppl tell me if u clip or stripp clip down the ears i know it is down to the jaw line is ths correct?

It was a cocker kennels where I learnt to trim, you strip the top of the ears down, the only part we ever clip was under the neck, then used thinning scissors on the rest, down to the breast bone, appartently I'm a good stripper, love stripping esp terriers, don't do many poodles/bichons, not my fav breeds, and they never look right to me!
I get alot of working gungogs it, police drugs springers, but they are all short all over.

everyone on here has there diffrent breeds whats ur best tips u tell ppl whn they ask about grooming in ur breed

Good thing my breed is pretty low maintenance!  Plus, it also depends on whether you are show grooming, or just grooming a pet MP.  Well, not really I guess, as the only difference is whiskers and ears. 

My best advice for people wanting to groom my breed, is get yourself a really good cloth.  One you can put the sprays on, and one to wipe off any mud they may get on them.  But also to start really early grooming, as you may stand a chance getting a MP that likes having their teeth and nails done!!!

> the only part we ever clip was under the neck, then used thinning scissors on the rest

Personally I would use the thinning scissors for all of the throat.  When I am showing a cocker I do not use clippers on any part but I suppose a pet groom could be reasonably done as you say :-)

>everyone on here has there diffrent breeds whats ur best tips u tell ppl whn they ask about grooming in ur breed

One of the joys of mine is that grooming is straightforward and quick! A couple of minutes with a Zoom Groom, followed by a couple of minutes with a bristle brush to remove the clouds of loose hair, finishing up with (if showing) a wipeover with a chamois leather. No trimming of whiskers or clipping anywhere. :-) If done every day or two the dog is always looking good.

You still get a house and clothes covered in white hair though!

i must admit i would trust a groomer with a German Spitz, I am sure they would try and trim them like a Pom.  Best tip I can give is to visit the club website http://www.gsboc.co.uk/about/grooming.htm which shows the correst way to groom a GS.

We use coconut balm softened i nyour hands then rubbed on our Danes before they go into the ring, or baby wipes, there not bathed often, but a good rub down esp there noses where they have half the field stuck on it!
We use Baby lotion around there eyes/muzzles, makes such a difference!

Crufts i will be there with a camara pen and paper lol im going on thursday and friday

if i had a spitz in i would only trim feet

do u take out the bit of hair by the tail on spitz like on poms?

when i get a hairstripp spainel in i run the clippers up the neck i always have but i do only do pet ones nomally do a 5f or 7f in reverse

thanks  for the info on cocker ears

no we only trim the feet and the back of the hocks.

The best piece of advice I can give you was passed on to me by Joan McMillan of Lochranza Cocker fame. When you are trimming a dog keep stopping to check. You can always take a bit more off....but you can never put a bit back on.

Strong arms, strong back and lots of elbow grease! OR pay a Groomer! (For the Newfies) For the Yorkies...never ever ask for a Pet cut at the groomers! Usually 2-3 hours a day of patience, or like me, just give up and take them in with a tatty coat, but at least they're having fun playing and being dogs, rather than kept in a cage in crackers!

why do u never ask for a pet trim there really isnt a pet trim for a yorkie as they are shown in full coat i tend to just go with what the owner wants

i do a couple of full coated yorkies who are so pretty like that wish all my yorkies where done like that

Because my friends mother, and others, just went in and asked for a trim and ended up with virtually no coat! To be fair, they are pet yorkies and obviously around here that's what they're used to! You are obviously a more caring Groomer! At least one of the groomers I know I wouldn't leave ANY of my dogs with them, once they did Cassie(passed away now) and she came home with a streak of 'dandruff' type effects down her back and I figured they just poured the shampoo on! I don't take any of the Yorkies, I do them myself, they need bathing usually once a week, once a fortnight if I'm having problems with me bad body! I couldn't afford to take them that often! To be fair Derek is now quite good at bathing them(or rather showering them over the bath) then I do the trimming, nails, ears, drying etc. ;-)

I do a terrier clip aka Westie on a Yorkie, it's not ideal as their coat is so silky it doesn't clip well. But I've tried doing puppy trims and just shortening the skirt, and the owners come back next time and say 'can you do the back shorter please'. :-)

thats pretty much the same clip i do if the owner asks for short back

i do have one yorkie that has a 7f shave everywhere and the owner has asked me do shave the head the same as the body next time everytime she comes in she asks for the head to be shorter

she doesnt look as nice as a full coated dog bbut she is happy and her owners love how she looks there dog there choice

they even bring her every 8 weeks so its not even like she gets matted

I've got one I clip all over, but in spite of me asking them and even giving them appointment cards on the way out, they only bring him every 6 or 8 months and it doesn't look much like they brush him between times....