Not logged inChampdogs Information Exchange
Forum Breeders Help Search Board Index Active Topics Login

Find your perfect puppy at Champdogs
The UK's leading pedigree dog breeder website for over 25 years

Topic Dog Boards / Breeding / Breeding colours
- By gizzilou Date 22.01.09 12:21 UTC Edited 22.01.09 12:23 UTC
Is it possible to breed a tricolor bitch with a tricolor dog and get any male blenheim pups in the litter? Whoops, I forgot to say that they are Cavalier King Charles.
- By breehant Date 22.01.09 12:32 UTC
http://cavalierkingcharles.org.uk/colour_inheritance.html Try this about three quarters down. Sorry not my breed, but I am sure one of our extremely knowledgeable Cav folk will be along soon with some sage advice :)

HTH
- By cavlover Date 22.01.09 13:27 UTC
I am fairly sure not but someone with more knowledge will know better than I.
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 22.01.09 13:33 UTC
According to the link given it looks as though you can.
- By cavlover Date 22.01.09 13:41 UTC
So it does !
- By minnie mouses [in] Date 22.01.09 13:48 UTC
Yes as long has both praents have a blenhiem parent you may get a blenheim from tricoloured parents.
I have a book about breeding colours. called The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel, The World Of Dogs by Margaret Workman
it will tell you all  about breeding colours.
- By crofty [gb] Date 23.01.09 18:56 UTC
Hi,
My Blenheim was from a tri mum and ruby dad.  The litter consisted of 4 blenheims and 1 Tri, so yes you may do. 
x
- By Goldmali Date 23.01.09 19:23 UTC
Usually wholecolours are mated to wholecolours and particolours to partis. A ruby is a blenheim without the white so it follows that a ruby and a tri would get blenheim pups -more obvious than a tri to a tri. :)
- By animalcraker [gb] Date 26.01.09 02:46 UTC
"Yes as long has both praents have a blenhiem parent you may get a blenheim from tricoloured parents."
That's incorect. As long as both tri's carry the reccesive gene for red then you have the possibity for blenheim.

Cavalier color genetics are fairly simple to figure out. The E gene applies to the black coloring. E being dominant resulting in a black body color and e recessive for a red body color. And the S gene determines white distribution of the coat. S is dominant for a solid color without white and s(with superscript p) for white piebald pattern.

A Bleheim is made up of recessive color genes so they will always be eess. Tricolors will always have the recessive piebald and must have at least one dominant gene for black. So a tricolor can be Eess or EEss. Rubys always have the recessive red genes and at least one dominant gene for the solid color. Just the the tri, there's 2 possible Ruby gene combos of eeSs or eeSS. And lastly Black & Tans have to have at least on dominant gene for black and one dominant gene for the solid color. That gives us 4 possible combinations for Black & Tan; EESS, EESs, EeSS, and EeSs.
- By white lilly [gb] Date 26.01.09 10:40 UTC
can i ask please if u mate white sire (both perents are white to sire) to a blue dam (mum blue dad blue/sable) would pups be more like sire ?hope that makes some sense :)
- By munrogirl76 Date 26.01.09 13:42 UTC

> can i ask please if u mate white sire (both perents are white to sire) to a blue dam (mum blue dad blue/sable) would pups be more like sire ?hope that makes some sense :-)


In Cavaliers???? :confused:
- By kizzycav [gb] Date 26.01.09 14:13 UTC
Well, iti possible but to be sure why not choose a blenheim sire?
- By Moonmaiden Date 26.01.09 14:22 UTC

> Well, iti possible but to be sure why not choose a blenheim sire?


:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

In Cavaliers Whites & blue sables ? they don't exist
- By white lilly [gb] Date 26.01.09 15:22 UTC
sorry not cavaliers but i carnt put up the breed can i ? and i didnt want to start a tread because some1 would of said about this 1 :)
- By animalcraker [gb] Date 28.01.09 10:04 UTC
sorry not cavaliers but i carnt put up the breed can i ? and i didnt want to start a tread because some1 would of said about this 1 :-)

Breed is an important factor in determining some color genetics. As you can see in the OP the breed was listed so that shouldn't be a problem. You proably wouldn't have much of a problem starting your own thread either.
- By white lilly [gb] Date 28.01.09 12:05 UTC
they are gsd dogs
- By Moonmaiden Date 28.01.09 13:47 UTC
Sable is not a colour it is a pattern, so you could get anything from mating two non standard coloured GSDs, depending what is behind the grand parents, there could be black behind the white for starters & if the white carriers the dilute colour gene as the blue dogs do then you could get a mixture of non standard colours with or without the sable pattern or blacks.

Cannot understand why anyone would do such a mating unless it was to try to breed some different non standard colours & claim them as "rare"(which they are not)so they can charge more for the puppies
- By white lilly [gb] Date 28.01.09 16:24 UTC
:) thankyou
Topic Dog Boards / Breeding / Breeding colours

Powered by mwForum 2.29.6 © 1999-2015 Markus Wichitill

About Us - Terms and Conditions - Privacy Policy