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By BURTMCGILL
Date 10.11.02 12:41 UTC
HI CAN ANYBODY HELP-i have a staffie dog(spike) 1yr old,i have had plenty of offers for him to stud because he is a very big good looking dog
i agreed with a friend of mine to mate his bitch 1yr old.,none of us have any experience before at breeding and this was our first attempt.
when the dogs were in the house together they were fine,rolling around,licking,sniffing etc,but when we transferred to the back yard,while my dog was fine(obviously really-hes a man)the bitch turned rather nasty and was having none of it.
i would appreciate any help/advice on things i might be doing wrong or steps i should take,thanks DARREN
By Crazy Cockers
Date 10.11.02 12:50 UTC
Hi Darren
I have no "actual" experience on breeding, but i was under the impression that you could only breed on the dogs 3rd season or at 18 months, whichever came first. (This maybe for my breed only - im not sure). But the bitch being 1 yr old, she is still a baby herself, and might not be ready, in her own mind.
Was she in season?? I am sure that the more experience people/breeders would be able to give you some advice, but my opinion is, that she is too young, and she didn't want to know.
This is just my opinion though.
Regards
Natasha
By philippa
Date 10.11.02 13:54 UTC
Hi Burt, As it hasnt worked so far this time, PLEASE leave it until at least her next season, she is still a pup herself, and far far to young to have pups.

Have patience - as the others said, the little bitch is only a baby, and needs at least another season under her belt before you should impose motherhood on her!!!
She will be much more settled mentally and physically if her owner just waits , and could then produce a beautiful litter. Not sure of the hereditary tests that you need with Staffies - hips and eyes I suppose at least - others with staffies on the board will help you out, I'm sure.
Keep watching this board - you'll glean a lot while you're waiting for the right time
Jo and the Casblaidd Flatcoats
By BURTMCGILL
Date 10.11.02 18:52 UTC
hi,thanks for the advice,like i said in my note it was our first time and i just gladly accepted the bitch owners request to breed,but after today i told him i was not going ahead until i recieved some feedback,which i now have and will heed the advice you have give,thanks Darren
By Crazy Cockers
Date 10.11.02 19:36 UTC
Good for you Darren :D
Natasha
By BURTMCGILL
Date 10.11.02 18:52 UTC
hi phillippa,thanks for the advice,like i said in my note it was our first time and i just gladly accepted the bitch owners request to breed,but after today i told him i was not going ahead until i recieved some feedback,which i now have and will heed the advice you have give,thanks Darren
By HappyStaffy
Date 10.11.02 17:07 UTC
Hi Darren, sorry but it just seems to be a poor reason to use your dog at stud

Your mates bitch is way to young and his size will not guarantee he throws "big" offspring:rolleyes:If you are keen to get into breeding the most important characteristic you should be looking to pass on is their good temprement? Are they both KC registered? Do not want to be a "party pooper" but you take on a lot off responsibility when you decide to use your dog at stud:( and Its not all down to the person left "holding the puppies"? Do the breed a favour and steer clear of producing another litter of Staffs. If you are at all serious about the breed, then you will take this reply in the manner it is intended. Delay breeding until you have researched your dog, the bitches family history and the breed requirements!
By BURTMCGILL
Date 10.11.02 18:49 UTC
hi,im not sure i understand your reply to my question,im also a bit miffed in tone its in,i do not want to stud my dog because he is "big" i was merely trying to give other people as much of a description as i could.
i also dont understand what you mean by "do the breed a favour and dont have another litter of staffies" i might be wrong but so sound like you have a total dislike to the breed.
By carter
Date 10.11.02 20:28 UTC
burtmcgill,
Hi there, what Happystaffy was getting at, is breeding a dog is not just putting any two dogs together, a lot of research has to go into the breed and history, to maintain the breed standard,
There are to many people breeding dogs that don't have the first clue about breeding, people like this should not be breeding there dogs FULL STOP ( or intill they know what they are doing, and only have the best interests of the breed at hand )
I.E... bad temperament dog's should not be breed from if possible, and dogs not up to breed standard i.e major faults (back to long, short, crocked e.c.t)
Also so much can go wrong! and costs a lot of time and money. lots of breeders here only just break even on the sale of there puppies.
If you want information, people here are more then happy to give it, but take on and think about the information you receive after all knowledge is power, please don't take any of this as a dig, stick around and read the posts and IM sure you will understand what we mean
king regards
Cater
By HappyStaffy
Date 10.11.02 21:21 UTC
Thanks Carter
By HappyStaffy
Date 10.11.02 21:19 UTC
Apologies if you got the wrong end of the stick :( A total dislike for the breed? "HappyStaffy" should give you a clue;)
By jostaff
Date 11.11.02 00:09 UTC
Definately wait for the bitch to have another season that is a must.You have obviously neverbeen present at a stafford mating! the bitches can become very aggressive, you may need to muzzle or sedate lightly. Dont let them run together as a fight may occur,they need to be introduced but carefully. I would also suggest 3 people being present one needs to hold the bitch, one to sort the dog and one for coffee or help if trouble arises. But as a breeder I have to agree with Happystaffy if they are not registered and not good specimens dont go there, you only have to contact welfare to see how many unwanted pups there are and they are the registered ones. With Staffords being banned in other countries etc. you can not afford to produce what is no more than a crossbreed. Please dont take offencejust talking from the heart jo
By archer
Date 11.11.02 18:38 UTC
As Jo says ,if your dog and his 'intended' are not registered and good examples of the breed please do not consider adding to the huge population of unwanted staffs.
I have a staff myself and have had numerous offers from people to use him on their bitches because he is huge.He has a wonderful temperament but I would NEVER use him at stud because he is not a good speciman of the breed(and has a bad knee) however handsome he is.
Are you not concerned that some of these pups may end up in rescue or worse.It also concerned me that my boys offspring could end up being used for fighting because of their size -have you thought of that...
If you want to use your boy at stud and if he's registered start by showing him.Get him seen by people who know staffs and what a good one looks like and then (after you've done the neccessary health checks)maybe some people will want to use him if he's good enough.
Please don't think we're all being spoil-sports...we just all care for the good of the breed and dogs in general.
Good luck in whatever you decide,Nikki.
By staffie
Date 11.11.02 19:29 UTC
On the advice of our vet - Staffords can be either slow or quick maturing depending on their lines. If you have a quick maturing line then 2nd season is fine, for a stafford the second season usually comes when the bitch is over 12 months anyway. I agree for a bitch that is a slow maturer then yes you would need to wait for the 3rd season.
Another reason why the bitch may not have been co-operative in the mating could be that she was not on the correct day. Some breeders will swab to check the cells to see when the bitch is ready to ovulate, we have found this to be very accurate - before any one says anything I must point out this has to be done in very sterile conditions else infection can be caused. Also vets can to ovulation predictions.
I have one bitch that will ONLY allow a mating when she is on the correct day but I have another bitch that is a little "tart" and will take a mating on any day!!
Some breeders will also mate a bitch to help her mature if she is a slow maturer. Hopefully in this case not until her 3rd season though.
I must agree with the person who described a staffie mating - under no circumstances should the bitch be allowed to "run free" with the dog and the mating should ALWAYS be assisted throughout as the mood could easily change during the tie and the dog could end up seriously hurt, also the bitch. The bitches head should be held at all times and the dog supported too.
I do agree with other posts that if you do intend to breed alot of research should be done to make sure the two dogs are right to put together. First and foremost is the nature of the dogs but also important are any hereditary faults the dogs may have, some may have hereditary faults such as cateracts therefore I would recommend both dogs be eye screened.
Does your friend know the work involved in having a litter and the cost that can be involved? Does the bitch come from a free whelping mother because if not she has an even more increased chance of needing a c-section.
OF CAUSE agree with all the above that both dam and sire should be KC reg and ALL future homes be vetted to ensure the puppy is going to a responsible home. We keep in touch with all our puppies new owners and receive regular photos and updates. We would always rehome an unwanted dog of ours if the owners circumstances changed - would you friend be prepared to do the same?
By jostaff
Date 11.11.02 19:51 UTC
this is just to say hi, dont know if you will get it. I assume you have staffs what have you got? where are you etc. jo
By staffie
Date 11.11.02 21:06 UTC
Hi, will IM you for a chat
By beaunyndl
Date 13.11.02 00:11 UTC
hi darren,
polly my 2 year old bitch has just gave birth to 7 pups on the 2nd of nov , 6days early. this was her first litter and we had problems right from the start, PROBLEM 1 : no milk, so i had to hand feed,first time ive had to do this as ive never encounted problems before, its not as easy as you might think, feeding every 2 hours ,staying awake all night,puppies dhydarate quickly , the amount off stress you go through,thinking your going to lose a puppy is unbelievable.
PROBLEM NO 2 ;polly wasnt losing any blood discharge etc from back end,trip to vet he gave her a shot and glad to say sorted her problem,vet said she could of suffered from pyometra if she'd been left.do you know the signs of pyometra?, do you even know what it is
:) glad to say everything's worked out fine pups are all fine, pollys milk came eventually after 5 days,all putting on weight but believe me if you do encounter problem's and you dont have any experience of breeding ,or you cant call on anyone with some experience,youll find it could all end in heartache,
i was very lucky not to lose any of my pup's , and even luckier not to lose polly,i encounted problem's and i would call myself an experienced breeder, this bein my 4th litter in 5years and bein brought up with a mum and dad that have bred spaniel's since the year gone blonk!{played nurse}
i dont want you to think i,m having a go at you this message is more for the bitch's owner, but i also think you should be made aware that things can go wrong and believe me they do.i know many breeders that have lost full litters and even there bitch, i'm not saying dont breed, but you must do a lot more research, talk to as many people as you can,please think long and hard about this, again this message i think should be read by the bitches owner
joanne
By staffie
Date 13.11.02 13:05 UTC
Hi Jo
Hope the puppies are doing well, see you soon. Claude is missing Pete!!! :-)
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