I know someone with a Pitt bull and alsatian mix puppy. Who should it be reported to?

why would you want to???

Erm, because it's against the law?

Are you 100% sure it's a Pitt ?

>Who should it be reported to?

The police. They're the ones to deal with crimes.

i really hate this about people, they're all like oh lets report them and then when people start interfering in thier business they dont like, just let people get on with their lives, havent you got anything better to do?

>they're all like oh lets report them and then when people start interfering in thier business they dont like

On the other hand, if they don't report the dog and the dog does go onto maul someone this person may feel partly responsible for not reporting the crime of keeping an illegal dog.

oh come on really? there are thousands of bull crosses up and down this country, do you ever hear of them attacking people? i certainly dont theres probably 10 bull cosses in my area and not one of them has attacked anyone

Don't think I would know a Pit/GSD if I saw one particulaly a puppy, would leave well alone and report it only if the dog is out of control or causing trouble.

>there are thousands of bull crosses up and down this country, do you ever hear of them attacking people?

A very similar topic was covered recently.  Why would someone want to own an illegal breed and we're talking about a specific breed here not bull breeds in general?

Fact is when you take a breed out of responsible breeders' circulation you are taking on a complete unknown.  Much worse than plain puppy farming because this breed is known to have been bred for fighting and still is in this country.

> do you ever hear of them attacking people?

er... yes. but i don't belive its because of breed

If indeed it is illegal.

Experts continue to argue over what defines a pitt or it's type,so unless the OP is 100% sure leave well alone is my advice.
This poor puppy could be seized then confined to a living hell of been confined in kennels with no contact from it's owner because of what - because of what it looks like or someone thinks it's a pitt cross.

What has been a fighting breed got to do with anything ?

> This poor puppy could be seized then confined to a living hell of been confined in kennels

I always laugh when anti DDA people say things like this. How is it any different from a dog in kennels while it's owner is on holiday? It's a clear case of double standards, I've seen on a rescue forum people collecting dogs that are advertised in papers to put them in rescue - because they'll be able to choose a better home for them. But then they keep the dog in kennels when it could have went straight from home to home, so obviously kennels aren't that bad :-)

I've seen many of "pitt" crosses at my last job in that particular area...I must say the only breed that tried to bite me was a weimerama......

My guess is they wern't even pit crosses in the first place and someone had the poor sods who brought them on ;)

Do owners go away for upto two years at a time then ?

Have you seen some of the dogs that were kept in these kennels, and the state they were returned to them in ?

I am so glad you find it funny,Sorry we are not talking a week or two we are talking months even years with an expensive court case pending.
Dogs have died in these kennels,where is the funny side to it,I don't see it.

Would you like your dog to be seized,confined in kennels,not knowing anything about where it was or how it was treated for upto two years ?

It not going to maul some one just because it may have pitt in it- come on- its on how they are raised not just in the breed :-( My bro has a pitt and what a lovely girl she is- great with their 2yr old and their newborn :-)

The sad thing is people think it looks like a pit and 9 times outta 10 its not even close- just looks like one- jeese do you no how many people thought I had baby pitts, and they are boston terriers lol

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html 

I just said the breed and clicked to see if I was right- did pretty good I might add :-)

Found this to be interesting: http://www.pitbullproject.ca/myths.htm

This is also interesting... the most comprehensive study of serious dog attacks

>they're all like oh lets report them and then when people start interfering in thier business they dont like, just let people get on with their lives, havent you got anything better to do?

We can't pick and choose which laws we obey and which we won't! If it's the law it must be obeyed until it's repealed. If we don't like it we must get out there and protest till someone takes notice! Otherwise what's to stop people breaking the drink-driving law "because they disagree with it" or the underage s*x laws "because they don't agree with it"? Sorry - it's all or nothing.

Very true and I agree.
But some of the dogs caught up in this legislation are crossbreeds,two legal breeds can produce a "type" illegal looking dog which then falls foul of the law.
How are people supposed to know when taking on a crossbreed from rescue or breeders if you can call them that what this 8 week old pup will turn out like,you have no idea.

Indeed dogs die all the time so by the law of averages some must die in kennels.

I was reading one 'horror' story on an anti dda site going on about what an awful condition a dog was returned in, and how it could hardly walk and how awful these kennels must be. The dog had parvo, they reckon it caught it before it was seized. It would have been in the same condition in the owners house.

No, I wouldn't like my dog to be seized but I would also never buy or take on a pit bull, or pit bull terrier type as I know the law. By the same token I wouldn't kill someone, drive while under the influence or steal.

I agree with you totally JG but how would anyone know if this pup was a Pit/GSD unless they bred it, so at least for now best hold your peace and see how the pup grows.

So you are aware of these too,
http://www.endangereddogs.com/EDDRDDAFamilyPetDies.htm
http://www.endangereddogs.com/EDDRSmelling&Sore.htm

And we are not talking about one or a few dogs dying whilst in police care try 60.
http://www.endangereddogs.com/EDDRDDAShocker.htm
http://www.endangereddogs.com/EDDRTyler'sStory.htm

5 years one dog was held for in kennels after been seized,5 years,then PTS this is cruelty.
http://www.endangereddogs.com/EDDROtis.htm

Hayley123:
oh come on really? there are thousands of bull crosses up and down this country, do you ever hear of them attacking people? i certainly dont theres probably 10 bull cosses in my area and not one of them has attacked anyone?

YES!!!!

One attacked me 3 months ago. I've only just stopped having nightmares about it. I still panic when I have to go in and out of my house (the attack took place right outside my front door) and have spent the past couple of months spending as much time as possible in my flat.

Here's my thread: http://www.champdogsforum.co.uk/board/topic/111065.html

I wouldn't think twice about reporting these people.

> We can't pick and choose which laws we obey and which we won't! If it's the law it must be obeyed until it's repealed.

Is it really the law that I have to report owners who might have a pit bull?

I'll risk it that I'll become a criminal by not reporting the pit bull I know of.

>Is it really the law that I have to report owners who might have a pit bull?

I think I'm right in saying that aiding and abetting a criminal (owning a pitbull is an offence) is also a felony.

If you saw someone, obviously unfit to drive, getting into the driving seat and heading off down the road, would you also turn a blind eye? If not, why not?

> One attacked me 3 months ago.

... and you are absolutely right for reporting this dog and it's owner for that behaviour.  You are on very firm ground in this instance BUT I wouldn't encourage everyone to report a dog for looking like an illegal dog.  Unless the OP has proof of breeding or a serious concern about behaviour of either the dog or it's owner, as determined by their actions, I'd not waste a phone call.  If the OP is worried but has nothing to back up those concerns then I would suggest just keeping eyes and ears open to see if the perceived problem develops.

Many local council websites have published information regarding the process to report a dangerous dog and you may find that yours has additional guidelines to help people decide how and what to report.

> On the other hand, if they don't report the dog and the dog does go onto maul someone this person may feel partly responsible for not reporting the crime of keeping an illegal dog.

On the other hand, if they report it an innocent dog will be killed and a family devastated.

It would never occur to me to report anyone's dog (any breed) just in case one day it mauls someone. No more than I'd report a neighbour who has a car just in case one day they drink and drive or parents because one day they might abuse their children.

I believe more people are killed by drink driving and more children killed by their parents than by dogs.

> I think I'm right in saying that aiding and abetting a criminal (owning a pitbull is an offence) is also a felony.

Must be hard to prove. The police would have to prosecute everyone who has seen the dog - all the "criminals" family, friends and neighbours. It would be interesting how they would prove that I know what a pit bull is. Perhaps they'd employee me as a breed expert in pit bull trials?

> If you saw someone, obviously unfit to drive, getting into the driving seat and heading off down the road, would you also turn a blind eye? If not, why not?

Yes I would. However I wouldn't report them just because they own a car.

For the OP to know that this is a PitbullxGSD cross they would have to have known it's parents...if one were a Pitbull ,then it is the owner of that illegal breeding dog that should be reported.

hear hear tooolz.. absolutely...

Even the so called experts have difficulty in identifying a pit bull terrier...or type thereof.

Pitt Bulls and their crosses are linked to organised crime FACT - so the Police should be out hunting these dogs down.  I am not criminalising these poor dogs, innocent victims they are, BUT there is an undisputed link between these "status symbols" and drug dealing and people trafficking.  These poor dogs didn't ask to be born but the Police can use them to track down the real dangers to our societies.  Just my own observations.

Pitt Bulls and their crosses are linked to organised crime FACT

All of them? 

Do you include Staffordshire bull terriers and their crosses in your observations?

I agree though there are some undersirable people who use various breeds / crosses as status symbols.  Sadly as you have also pointed out, it's often the innocent dogs which suffer most. 

>However I wouldn't report them just because they own a car.

Obviously not. It's not illegal to own a car.

>I know someone with a Pitt bull and Alsatian mix puppy?

That's a pretty interesting combination and if I saw one, I doubt I would know what it was.  

Is this is a wind up by any chance?, I can't imagine a Pitt/GSD cross... 

I dont think youd find it quite so funny if your dog ended up in the state some of the seized dogs have... emaciated, covered in wounds, dead of parvo virus, suffering extreme behavioural problems as a direct result of being kennelled improperly for so long, with their basic (and legally recognised in the animal welfare act) needs not met..

And im talking here about dogs who were found either NOT to be pitbull type - or found not to be dangerous and entered onto the exempt dogs register (the last case I mention, although found to be not a danger based on his character prior to being kennelled and reprieved by the courts, had to be put down anyway as his behaviour adn temperament had been utterly ruined during his time in kennels).

It is a million miles away from kennelling a dog for a few weeks whilst the owner is away on holiday... unless you would kennel your dog where hed get no toys, no exercise, kennelled next to ill dogs, unvaccinated (and in some cases owners were not permitted to provide medical history/info for their dogs), in filthy kennels seperated by wire mesh so bored frightened dogs can fence fight, injuries left untreated, dogs allowed to become emaciated..

Oh Good grief, the propaganda mill is working overtime. They're kennelled in RSPCA kennels! I actually know someone who worked in one that has held dogs seized under the DDA and I can assure you none of the things you mentioned were actually the case. Of course I'm going by a first hand account of a friend and not a blatantly biased website out to prove a point :-)

i dont know about your area of the country, but the met police used a couple of specific 'secret' boarding kennels, with no connection to any rescue organisation.
one of these these 'secret' kennels was in my village. they had the bulk of the met police court cases at the time. twas an awful stressful life for the dogs that barely got walked or attended to, and werent treated too well.
i worked in the rescue around the corner. i lived there as well. my colleague lived and worked with me part-time at the rescue, and part time at this kennel.
everyday he told me about the conditions and lifestyle at the police kennel. the 2 kennels couldn't have been more different. he had enough eventually, as he was the only one whom made an effort at the police kennel, so he quit and worked full time with me instead.
this kennel doesnt have this contract anymore.

i know a lady that bought a staff cross puppy at four months old when she got him he was very vocal and did not greet any dogs with manners i have been walking my dogs with her and her puppy for afew weeks now and this puppy has learnt how to behave and how to meet and greet dogs he is doing very well and no longer growls when playing.

she has been told he is a pit cross with him having some ddb in him.

do you think i should report this puppy for being a pit bull type?

i agree that some people should never own a dog at all but not all owners of staff crosses (pit bull type)are irisponsable .

I very much doubt that he is a pit cross - most 'pitbulls' are just badly-bred, leggy staffs, and the only illegal thing about them is their vague resemblence to the genuine article! So he's probably just what you say - a staff cross puppy.

>do you think i should report this puppy for being a pit bull type?

Do you think he looks like 'the type of dog known as a pitbull terrier'?

Pitt Bulls and their crosses are linked to organised crime FACT

All of them? 

Do you include Staffordshire bull terriers and their crosses in your observations?

I agree though there are some undersirable people who use various breeds / crosses as status symbols.  Sadly as you have also pointed out, it's often the innocent dogs which suffer most. 

No I do not include Staffies - I am not biased against all bull breeds at all - I would have said staffies had I meant them so you can calm down now.  The link between the pit-bulls and organised crime is in their breeding, not necessarily the people who have them at the time.  In many ways the unsuspecting owner is also a victim.

Aberdeenshire staffies have a tendancy to be squat, ugly, bow-legged things with breathing problems - there is no way they could be mistaken for a pit bull.  Aberdeen also has a very distinct link with Liverpool with regards the drug trade: the dealers are generally the people who have these potentially dangerous "status symbols".  The more "dangerous" the dog, the bigger the street cred for the owner.

I am glad that the DDA will be repealed and replaced with this new bill (once it gets it's wording sorted out). There should be a law against illegal owners instead.

You all do realise casmith1985 has not posted again.
casmith1985 joined 21/12@18:09 & posted only on this thread 3 min's later and has not returned - hmm

Yes, I think someone mentioned that too.

This forum gets quite a few trolls doesn't it? Some better than others obviously lol.

I saw photgraphs taken by Roger Mugford in a 'secret kennels' and the dogs were in very poor shape, many with open sores. I know Jemima said she was thinking of doing a programme on the DDA, EDDR, dogs. With the new bill going through parliament right now which as we discussed on another thread leaves a lot of innocent dog owners and their dogs open to prosecution under this new bill. As John W who used to be on CD told me "It is open to a lot of mischief' in other words it could be interpreted in many ways all to the disadvantage of dogs. We can only hope common sense will prevail. Even BASC has written to the government against this bill as it is badly thought out. The key element is to control the ownership and use by thugs and other criminals of dogs. It will hopefully also control breeding of many of the stafford crosses currently filling the rescues all over the UK.

Seems there have been a few threads of late, involving my chosen breed, that seem to be of questionable intentions?!

> Seems there have been a few threads of late, involving my chosen breed, that seem to be of questionable intentions?!

Sorry I don't understand what you mean. We were talking Pit Bulls and Pit Bull types in the UK, what is your chosen breed and where do you live, as that would seem to be the question as we are talking legality not intentions.

Mind you from the OP it is not possible to say if this is a Pit Bull type or not as unless they bred it I do not see how they would know from a pup of 12 weeks.

Hi Nova

My chosen breed is the Staffordshire bull terrier, I live in Essex/East Anglia.  Is that relevant?  I'm not sure I understand why you are asking my location?

I have said the same thing as a couple of other posters on this thread, there do seem to be a lot of questions from time to time regarding Staffords and their crosses, and then the original poster doesn't come back.
I guess what people are thinking is, are the questions asked just to stir things up - i.e. a troll.
That was my meaning :-)

Because if you are talking Pit Bulls the location is relevant, as you were talking Staffordshire Bull Terriers it is not, but from the post I replied to it was not evedent what breed you were talking about and I did say I did not understand your post.

> so you can calm down now

Eh?  When was I ever not calm.  Just asked a question!

Well, I'm terribly sorry, but I'm afraid I still don't understand either.

My location with regard to pit bulls isn't what I was posting about.  I'm aware (I think!) that they are not illegal in Southern Ireland. 

I was referring to the fact that there seem to be a lot of questions re: pit bulls and the like and then the poster doesn't come back to answer...

This is what you wrote

Seems there have been a few threads of late, involving my chosen breed, that seem to be of questionable intentions?!

Now you knew what you were talking about but I did not, this thread was about a Pit/GSD cross and the legality of owning one and has nothing to do with well bred Staffies.