Hi Brenda, welcome to Champdogs. You are correct, I have never been rude to Jeanne, but I must correct you in one thing. Wether you think I was wrong or not, if a message is posted on a public board, for all to read, then anyone is entitled to answer it. When I made the initial posting, I mentioned neither her name or where I saw the posting, so someone must have told her. IMO that is the person who started the problem. I agree with you, it is best dropped, but I already posted that on here yesterday. However, while people keep bringing it up, the replies will continue.:(

Philippa,

me again this thread still going on hey? You are right in the respect the boards are for public use and anyone can use them. I know how you feel on this topic and I think by now we have all said our bit.

Julieann

Hi Julieanne, well, this thread WASNT still going on until Brenda posted here last night. We had all made our feelings known, one way or the other, but Brenda, who I know you chat with on PP, decided to come here and post, which of course she is quite entitled to do, and therefore the replies were likely to start again.

Yes never mind.

Julieann

Brenda HI What other board can i look in and cause trouble LOL
i missed this item

pATX

Pat that's not nice !!!! Shorly you don't want to cause troulbe?

Julieann

I think that was said as a joke Julieann:).Best wishes Gillian

Oh hope it was a joke could take no more on this subject!! hee hee!

Best wishes

Julieann

Brenda

May I suggest you go back and read her original post on Pets Planet? She is the one who implied a 48 hr time scale quote 'Today, and yesterday' and later 'I have decided to have her pts in the morning'.

It is only in later postings once she knew about the thread here that she gave out more details. At the time of her original posting I cannot see what Phillipa had omitted fact wise when compared to the owners original.

Yes you are right Schip, those details did emerge later. Jeanne originally posted for our support and only later after finding out about the thread on this board felt she had to justify what she did. I apologise.

I certainly did not come here to cause trouble; I love all dogs and think places like this are great. It is good to be able to 'chat' with like minded people. My colleagues at work think I am obsessed with my cats and dog!

I simply wanted to support Jeanne in a very difficult situation and offer the other side of the story. Phillipa you said on PP that we are not supposed to have opinions - of course we are allowed to! and if you read some recent posts you will realise that message posters are not shy! However, I just felt in this case that it was far more respectful to keep opinions to ourselves and give Jeanne our support and if you read the replies, there are plenty of people who felt the same way. Jeanne has been posting on PP for some time now and we all know she loves her dogs and would never have done this if she felt there was another choice.

Not sure if I will keep posting here - as you all probably think I am a troublemaker. This was just something I felt strongly about that's all.

Brenda

Brenda

You are a newer member of the PP board where as Bec, myself, Jeanne, Ingrid, Liz, Penel etc are what the administration called 'Regulars' all of us with approx 2 years standing on that board.

There have in the past been some very rude and disgraceful personal attacks by some of the 'Regulars' which as a newcomer you will be unaware of - this is one of the reasons why Bec has come in for some rather harsh treatment as she will stand her ground when attacked.

I did know Jeanne personally and have had her in my home and have to say I was shocked when I found out it was her. Not everyone on that board is as they appear to give you a better view of the 'Regulars' may I suggest you do a search of some old postings, try starting with the Tail docking issue, or RSPCA.

Thanks for that Schip. I have actually been a member of PP for a couple of years now and before that often went in as a visitor. My main interest is cats so I used to post in cat chat more often than dog talk.

I did as you suggested and looked back over postings. Yes it did get quite nasty as times didn't it?!! I by no means looked at all the replies (would take forever!) but I did feel that the personal attacks were made mainly by Bec although most had strong views on subjects, which is fine and what life is all about. I didn't notice your name on any of the postings? (I apologise if I wasn't looking in the right place!) Perhaps you used a different name? I agree people are not always as they seem, that is one of the drawbacks of the internet, however, my name is Brenda and I prefer to use it rather than a psudodymn. (sorry about the spelling). I personally find PP very friendly on the whole and e-mail some of the members directly and am arranging a meeting with one member soon. I will keep posting there as I enjoy it. Not so sure about here though.

Sorry, Philipa if you think I am keeping this thread going, but I haven't mentioned the original topic once! As you say we are ALL entitled to post here and it was only because Champdogs was mentioned on PP that I visited at all.

Brenda

Hi Brenda, :) I dont think you are trying to keep this thread going, in the vein that the thread started in. Its just that Ive been getting it both barrels from PP to stop the thread, so I cant win anyway :)
I hope you like this board too, and will come and join us from time to time.xxx

Hi Philippa

Thanks for your kind reply. I think that although we disagree on this one topic, we probably feel very much the same way about dogs.

I will come back here occasionally, thanks.

Brenda

PS how do you get the smiley faces on the messages?

Well. what a scandel. Perhaps when someone writes on a friendly board asking for emotional help because their dog was attacking (not fighting, but suddenly and for no reason attacking ) another they must remember to put the whole unabridged details down. Must remember that one! :)
The dog had not bitten the children or adults. No, but it had not attacked either its house mate dogs b4 either. Does one wait for the family to be badly bitten? Does one wait to be bitten while seperating the dogs? Does one run the risk of finding bits of dog all over the floor b4 action is taken? Rescue will not take dangerous dogs. NCDL will not take dangerous dogs. They won't take dogs that 'may' fight either. Re-home it and there is a strong possibility that my child, or my dog when out may run into this dog and be attacked. people come first. Dogs get mental problems. people make choices that are difficult and have to live with it. Everyone has opinions. Vets will not PTS a healthy dog, but this includes state of mind also. This subject would not have been here if someone had not dragged it in. I'v not seen that done 4 a long time--usually this board is not like this, the old days of the wind-ups and inuendos had stopped, together with cross board bitching which caused such bad feeling.......lets hope it does not commense again

Sarah Jayne, I am not going down the road of this topic again, but your last paragraph..........pot and kettle perhaphs?

Hi Brenda, If you look at the "help" section at the top of the page, it tells you how to do the faces and other things. Hope you come back soon

Yes, Sarah Jayne I agree with a lot of what you said which was why I posted here in the first place! However, I think it is well and truly time to lay this topic to rest. We have all had a say and only keep repeating was has been said previously.

Thanks for the help with the icons Philippa - I think they are cute!

I read on PP that you have rescue lurchers. Well my dog (I only have one) is a rescue lurcher and we have had him for just over a year now. He is very nervous and had obviously been mistreated, but has improved so much. They are wonderful, gentle dogs aren't they? Well Ben is, not sure if they are all like that! I am a volunteer at the Animal Sanctuary where he came from and knew him for some time before we decided to re-home him. Just glad I did before someone beat me to it! So far I have re-homed 3 cats and Ben from there - really mustn't bring any more home. :)


Brenda

Hi again Brenda, Yes Lurchers are pretty wonderful, but sadly misunderstood dogs. Loving, affectionate and can be couch potatoes too, but always retain the hunt/chase instinct. My four are as follows..Daisy is a greyhoundxwhippet, so technically a Long Dog ( for the purists lol)
Milly is GreyhoundxWorking beardie. Erin is a rescue( so is Daisy but thats another story)and Erin is a Greyhound x Deerhound type, but we dont know for certain, and Cloud is a 9week old tornado on legs, although she looks as if butter wouldnt melt................ She is out of a Greyhound dam and dad is a Woking BeardiexBorderCollie.They are super dogs, I only wish I had discovered them as pets years ago, but on the other hand, if I had, I would probably have about 20 by now :)
Your Lurcher is lucky to have found a kind and loving home, there are so many of them kicked out because they dont work too well, or the owners want a younger model, its such a shame. I dont know if you have found it, but there is a Lurcher web ring that you may find interesting. So from one Lurcher lover to another, bye for now :)

Howcome, if no rescues take on dogs that fight, that there are so many in rescue centres wanting homes? You only have to read the ones up for adoption that a lot of them have problems with other dogs but most of them end up finding their right families in the end.

because people lie, and instead of taking the responsible attitude and sorting out the problem themselves, they pass the buck and hand them to rescue, stating that the family are splitting up, the kid has suddenly developed an allergy---any thing rather than the truth! Some will return to the breeder, who may then keep the dog shut up in isolation, or run the risk of blood and gore, if they don't take the final step. keeping dogs constantly shut up, or caged, is a living death in my opinion. And what responsible family would run the risk of taking on an animal that shows ANY agressive tendencies? Not a chance. No parent would run the risk, so the temperamental dog, happily rehomed and sitting by the fireside of a winters eve is a bit of a flight of fancy--they lounge in prison for the remainder of their lives, even kind and compassionate staff can't totally elivate that.
What also bothers me, is that dogs are bred from parents with unstable presonalities, and Im sure that is passed on. Far better in my view to have a litter that may not quite reach show standard, but has 100% rock steady parents.

Sarahjayne.
You are so right.
Having done rescue for many years, lying is the most common thing in the world for people wanting to get rid of dogs. I could quote many cases of dogs coming to me because of "no fault of their own" but given time, at rescues expense and sometimes to the horror of the new owners, these dogs show their "true colours" and do on occasions cause terrible damage.
Dawn.

Hmmmm I thought the other board wanted this topic put to rest? Well you are doing a good job of keeping it going Sarah Jane!! I have helped with rescued animals with various societys for many years now, and most will pts an animal that has aggresive tendancies to humans. However, it is natural, if unpleasant for dogs to fight amongst themselves, its part of their make up, and if all rescue societys pts all dogs that had ever had a fight with another dog, there wouldnt be many left to home. Also there are many many breeders in this world who breed dogs beautiful enough to grace the show ring, and with wonderful temprements too. However, if a choice HAD to be made, then only an idiot would choose beauty over a sound temprememt. Strangely enough though, even dogs with perfect temprements do fight from time top time!!!!!!! By the way, can you explain the difference to me please between a fight and an attack? Surle one dog has to start the trouble ( the attacker) to cause the fight?

um been reading up on the posts been away for a few days. I have a rescue dog as you all know BC Molly who I re homed from Battersea Dogs Home. I had no idea she hated strangers so much she would bite. Not that I am making excuses but my poor lass was so badly miss treated abonded you name it she got it. Battersea never mentioned to me that she bit, only that she was a "gift to the home" due to family moving away!! What a load of rubbish they had hurt her so much she was fighting back at them now. I would hate for any dog not to be given a chance like Molly has. I get a lump in my throat every time I see her looking at me or playing running the only thing I regret is not changing her name when we first got her home. May be some of her ghosts would have gone too?

Julieann

To answer your question, regarding a dog that attacks rather than one that starts fights, as all dogs do. (glad mine dont.) However, a dog that maintains a series of totally unprovoked attacks which had to be stopped by harsh means, or would have killed the other dog, is not what I call fighting. or perhaps with some it is. to me a dog that will suddenly turn on its lifetime companion is not a dog to be trusted. And it would have KILLED make no doubt about that. So, what to do. 1/ wait til it kills the other dog 2/ wait till a human in the house gets attacked /or badly bitten when attempting to split it up 3/ Wait till it thinks that the children in the family are fair game...
When dogs fight, many times all that happens is a flurry of feathers, ruffled coats and just maybe a bitten ear. And it will have been over a juicy bit that they all wanted, the elder dog showing whos boss, or good hearted play that got out of hand. You do not have to beat the agresser to stop them. If you constantly have fights, with blood all over the place and possibly stitches, then what sort of temperment have you got in your line/dogs? And they are your breeding stock.......i rest my case and will not post any more on this, mainly to save the feelings of the lady in question.

Hi Sarah Jane, Im glad you are not going to post on this thread anymore, because its basically you who has been keeping it going!! As a matter of interest, since when have dogs had feathers?:)
I shall politely tell you that in 21 years I have had one really bad fight with two hounds, (one of whom was a visitor) Neither dog was pts, and both carried on till dying from other reasons. Unlike you, I do not class a squabble over a bone, or out of hand play as a fight. A fight is exactly that, an attack and a fight. If all your dogs get are ruffled " feathers" then your dogs were not fighting!!!
I shall refrain from being rude to your description of my " lines " temprement. Suffice to say I have people waiting for their third or fourth dog from me, because they have such good temprements, but that dosnt mean they are not capable of getting invoved in a dog fight ( not a human attack) at some time or the other. Anyone who breeds from a ill tempered dog is an idiot, wether they be tiny or giant breeds

Yes Sarah Jane, could not agree more to leave this posting alone now. My BC Molly is happy wee thing now just have to watch her around strangers and even my family at times but I love her and her home is with me. After all it was people that made her like it in the first place.

Julieann

Sarah Jayne, the simple fact is if 2 of your own dogs start fighting you don't keep them together therefore preventing any further problems. Anyone who allows 2 dogs that clearly don't like each other to continue to fight is no dog lover. One fight you give them the benefit of the doubt as I did with mine. Second fight, forget it you separate them (especially bitches) as the chances of them getting on are slim. If you cannot maintain or have the room to keep them permenantly separated then you should consider all possible options first before deciding to kill the dog. They should be given a chance and as Julie (I think) has said she wouldn't have her dog Mollie. Dogs with dog aggression can be safely rehomed in a one dog house and as long as the new owner is made aware of any potential problems.
Only the other day on the telly a programme called Britains Worst Pets showed a rescue dog that not only had a big problem with other dogs but also people. However, a behaviourist (Rogerson, can't remember first name) dealt with the problem resulting in the dog being saved. And this was a dog with a people problem. Happy owner and happier dog.
It is very rare that a dog with a dog problem then goes on to be a dog with a people problem. They tend to have a people problem quite early on but this still doesn't mean that the dog is killed as the first course of action. The problems are attempted to be resolved before coming to that conclusion.