>i just think there should only be so many dogs pro owner.

How many, fayestaff?

and just how many dogs do you think an owners should be allowed to have then??

Sorry, but in my opinion, if you take money from these people who keep their non-show dogs in the manner in which you describe, you are condoning what you purport to condemn!

It's no good taking their money, them coming on here complaining about it - do something - even if it is just to walk away!

I think you got me wrong about the conditions the dogs are clean and well fed just that they live there lives in Cages like rabbits to some this is ok if you want to keep a pet in a cage all day get a rabbit!!!
Dogs where and have been bred for companionship not to be treated like a battery hen.
yes there are bad pet owners too but instead of getting out there and doing something about it .
When I said the show dogs get the best food where the other gets a less expencive brand again no neglect but differt choice .
Im not agenst breeders or anyone who breeds but I do fill we all should try to help out we can never stop bad puppies being breed it happens all the time but we can help others learn from wot we know and help.
I no longer look after many kennels now and the few I do there dogs live a good life and im happy there .
This is going to my last post in this section as this is getting out of hand iv had dogs 30yrs and still learning all the time worked for well know breeders and have had my eyes open to wot goes on im no fool .

What breed are you into now kennelsitter?  Collies? Schnauzers? ETT?!!!!!

Thanks for your intereseted in my dogs molly1 no longer have the coliies the last of the old ones passed away in 1989 @ 15 :-(
still have the other two breeds  here on my sofa asleep .

Now lets see , I spent the best part of a hours searching for numbers of good breeders for a lady today who is puppy searching after her first attempt turned into a disaster.

She bought a puppy from a "hobby breeder" who had the puppies in her bedroom and seems " SO nice" . Only thing the hobby breeder forgot was that dogs can have health problems and it is the breeders job it know about them and the lines behind the dogs. When the lady called the breeder to say her 6 month old puppy has one of the worst cases of CMO the vet had ever seen and the breeder replied, " I don't know what that is" did the buyer realise that the puppies being in a bedroom was not enough !!!!!!!

1 year on the lady has spend thousands and the dog now has a partly fused jaw and of course was spayed right away.

the lady called the breeder not for compensation but to tell her of the urgency and that the breeding stock should be spayed. She owned both bitch and sire. Both CMO carries.

".....But Iv been showing now for 4 yrs and had a litter which iv shown a puppy from and...."
No mention of a new breed to you there.

Fair play to you i agree with you now all show people badly treat there dog but some do. So is everyone saying that it is ok for dogs to be kenneled 24/7 with little human contact only for cleaning and showing? and its it ok for dogs to be tread milled instaed of exercised? there are many forms of abuse its not all about beating the dog. Yes show dogs are in good condition but how many dogs are bought and sold at 6 months then tossed aside or sold because they are not to the breed standard or but in kennels just for breeding?

Amanda I think you will find that is the minority !!

Lets think of it another way do you think dogs that are kept poorly , not socialised, loved , played with would go in a showring and show their hearts out NO..

Now before anyone jumps and says " ah but that is the only attention they get" that doesnt work.  They have to be loved , and socialised to show really well.

I agree with that they may be socialised to an extent but some breeders and owners i have seen and know off (not all if only a small minority!) do make there dogs scared off them so they obey them sounds silly but it does happen. They do have attention yes because they have to be trained, they are sometimes used for breeding and studding and if they are in kennels they are used to seeing and being around other dogs and i am not just referring to show homes because i show but it is a general observation of every type of owner

and just what makes you think that show people don't raise there puppies in the home with a family!!!

My puppies are all raised like that and so are the majority of show people's that I know of who breed.

Your statement was offensive to the majority of reputable breeders.

What you forget is that 99% of show bred puppies go into pet homes and they are bred with health, temperament and quality at the forefront of the breeding, not just "" Oh our little Betty is such a sweetie that we should have puppies from her", forgetting that without the appropriate knowledge those puppies might be little sweeties but they may also be cripples or have health problems for the rest of their lives!!, and it is their new owners who are going to be paying out the horrendous vet bills for them and suffering the heartache.

I've been having exactly this same discussion on another forum, and trying to get some of them to see sense is like banging my head against the wall.:rolleyes:

Dawn R.

Kennel Sitter are you being serious..

"most people like to get there pups from the hobby or one off breeder where the pups are raised in the home with the famerly. " NOT ON PLANET EARTH. Just because they are breed in the home does guarantee anything. nearly all show breeders have their dogs in the house also.. this in the year 2005
 
I show my dogs, and each and everyone of my dogs are in the house and much love pets first. I have been showing for about 4 years and put everything into my breeding program, showing and my " pets " happy life because they are showing doesn't make them less loved or less cared for.   I can assure you I am the only person I see out giving their dogs a good walk at 6 am in the morning. Mine live in the life of luxury.

Time and time again I see people post things like this and cannot quite 100% understand it.   Show breeders breed the best puppies they can, 99.9% end up as pet puppies and the breeders know this.

AND Unlike so may " Hobby" breeders most show breeders or show quality breeders do not live off their puppy sales they have to earn a living to keep their dogs. They use the best of the best dogs, spend no ends of money.

Kennelsitter - you are giving the impression that all people who show and breed are basically puppy farmers and this is far from the truth. You mention the dogs you have rescued - were they all from show breeders? The vast majority of people who show and breed are, like me, showing and breeding purely for the love of their breed and in the hope that their beloved breed will thrive, improve and be healthier than they were in the past. Of course there are bad show breeders out there, but I believe they are far outnumbered by the breeders of "pets" who either breed for profit or out of ignorance. Yes, it is very unfortunate if, after testing for health and finding the parents are clear, a litter of puppies comes along which have a health problem, but at least the breeder has done their utmost to avoid it. The same cannot be said of someone breeding a bitch which cannot be tested, and to encourage people to do so is condoning some of the bad practices which , if you are a responsible dog lover, owner and breeder, you should be totally against.
By breeding responsibly the BEST of homes can hopefully be found for puppies as a network of like minded breeders within your chosen breed is soon built up, so advertising in free papers and the like is totally unnecessary, as prospective owners are passed to someone who has or is planning a litter.