OK, now there are lots of opinions on your post, I will now add my points.  As you have already bought a dog with the potential use as your stud dog, you have had experience of buying a puppy.  Endorsements issues should have been mentioned with the first pup you bought.
As others have said, the vast majority of sensible and responsible breeders now endorse all their puppies to protect their breeding.

I feel you made several mistakes right from the start, why did you pay a deposit prior to the puppies being born?
I prefer one line of my breed whereas she is totally against my line,   So why on earth were you buying this particular puppy if it isn't from lines you like?  Or am I missing the point here?

You know the breeder of your bitch pup was against your choice of stud dog as well as the new registration, so why continue with this breeder.  As I read things, this will be your first experience of breeding so the support of the bitches owner is essential. 

If I have enquiries about puppies, and have none available, I always tell the prospective purchaser that being able to get on with the breeder is almost as important as the health/breeding conditions of the puppy.

Do I also take it you did not visit the puppies until you collected her?  Again another no no - the puppies may not have been the quality you were expecting and also you did not see how mum was with her babies and the environment they were raised in.  Even more important if you are considering breeding yourself.

Did you sign a contract with your dog pup?  Where again endorsement issues may have raised their head.  I always send a draft of my contract to puppy buyers once I have deemed them suitable for one of my puppies so they can read my terms and conditions for them actually having one.

One other point, you have not mentioned if you are showing either of these puppies, are you just intending having them for pet breeding?

A hard lesson to learn, but one many others should be aware of.  Sorry to sound harsh, but you were not an inexperienced purchaser so should have raised these issues prior to purchase.

One other point, you have not mentioned if you are showing either of these puppies, are you just intending having them for pet breeding?


It was mentioned that the bitch pup had been entered in a show under one of the split names and the OP was worried that the breeder would not agree to the pup being placed in that section of the split and therefore could not be shown. Think the whole set of problems need not have happened with a little forethought but in fairness we are talking in hindsight.

IMO the problems started when the purchaser though the email laying out when she would get for her money was a contract along with the fact they seemed to have launched into setting up themselves as a breeder without really understanding what is involved.

> the kennel club 100% lifted the endorsement when the dog was sold on... The only reason the breeder found out is because she seen it in the KG...

How recent, and what was the reasoning???

If it had been removed by forging the endorsers signature the person who placed the endorsement would not have seen it in Kennel Gazette as they write to the Endorser to confirm it being lifted.

I have many times spoken to KC staff about the need to also confirm to the OWNER that the endorsement has been lifted.

This can avoid misunderstandings (owner being unsure if endorsement really ahs been removed, a stud owner having nothing from bitch owner to confirm endorsement free etc.), and always had a letter back confirming this.

I endorse everything including my own (must remember to lift endorsement on my currently in whelp bitch before trying to register pups).

Agree with you that a letter should also be sent to the owner because as far as I know there is no public announcement or the lifting of an endorsement and I don't see why there should be it is a private matter.

Must say I have never seen the lifting of an endorsement in the KG the only time that would happen is if there was a disciplinary meeting about it and then the result of that meeting would be published. It is possible this is a recent inclusion in the KG as I no longer get it but would have expected an outcry by offended breeders as this is a private matter.

Scotgall 2009 - think perhaps someone has misinformed you or you have misunderstood unless as I say the KG has changed recently.

Regarding the lifting of endorsments - I had major hassle when I bought my previous GSD, 1st time purchasing a pedigree pup, I thought I knew how it worked and expected it to be straightforward !!!
With the run-around I got trying to get papers I decided to be b*****minded and fight to get endorsments lifted as well....I had and still have NO intention of EVER getting involved with breeding but thought of it as 'payback time'
Bit long but my letter to KC gives details of why the KC DID lift the endorsments
I have removed all identifying info

28 October 1998
Dear Sir,                                            
I sent a change of ownership certificate to you on 20th May 1998 for ZAN (German Shepherd). I enclosed a request that the endorsements on the registration certificate be lifted. The dog was born to a bitch owned by S but on breeding loan to J from whom I purchased him .
DofB   - Oct-97                   Purchased  - 14-02-98                K.C.Registered  - 24-03-98                               K C Cert received -  20-05-98
I did not know of any endorsements until the Registration Certificate was received. The only contact I had with S was at the end of Feb when I rang her to ask why there was a delay in receiving the Registration. I was told that her computer was down but I would get it next week (this was when the puppy was not even registered with you.) My purchase agreement was with J and no mention was made at the time of purchase of any endorsements. J. will not contact S on my behalf as the two have been involved in a legal action.
I was sent an agreement by S with the Registration which I have not signed and have not had any further request to return. I did not sign as much of the content was totally wrong,
Four generation pedigree   - Yes                        Puppy pack & diet sheet -  No            Tattoo Certificate - Yes -BUT- Not received by N.D.T.R and so not on their computer.
K.C.Reg applied for at 7-8 weeks - Registered at 22 weeks                      Forwarded as soon as possible - Arrived when pup was 31 weeks old
The Dog is now over one year old and the matter has still to be resolved .1 would ask that you now agree to my request ,lift the endorsements and then register the dog in my name as I requested last May.
Yours etc

My current GSD is also pedigree, I had the contract to see and a full 'talk through' of everything before the purchase and came home with pup and all paperwork expected or needed.

Must say I have never seen the lifting of an endorsement in the KG the only time that would happen is if there was a disciplinary meeting about it and then the result of that meeting would be published. It is possible this is a recent inclusion in the KG as I no longer get it but would have expected an outcry by offended breeders as this is a private matter.

No it's not published in the Gazette.

Regarding the lifting of endorsments

If I understand your post what you are saying is that the KC expects the fact that an endorsement has been added to be explained to the purchaser and that they should sign to say they have been told and accept the terms. As far as I can remember this has always been the attitude taken however the OP did sign a contract saying that there was an endorsement although we do not know if it was explained to them of not. There seems to be a lot more going on with the OP that the endorsement seems a minor problem as the whole matter seems a very unsatisfactory way to start your breeding career