Hi! My daughter is getting married in June and it is going to be hectic so I feel it is better to put my two shih-tzus into kennels for the weekend. They are due to go in on the Friday pm and pick them up again on Sunday. They have been into kennels before but not this one. It is closer to home and the only one which will let us pick them up on Sunday. However they insist on them having a kennel cough jab which they have never had before. I have spoken to my vet and he seems to think it is ok . They call it a jab but apparently it goes up their nose and this is why I am concerned because of their flat features.  Can anyone reassure me please I don't want to stress them out. Obviously I do not have a choice about putting them in kennels because the family will all be at the wedding. Thanks for your advice.:rolleyes:

It is a spray that is squirted up their nose ;) They will probably sneeze after it has been done, but it is much better to have the spray than for them to get kennel cough. My young bitch has had kennel cough twice in the last 6 months. Not pleasant :( They will be fine :)

Hi Maggie,

The kennel cough jab as you call it is a live vaccine that is squirted up their nose , more like a puff of air really and they just breathe it in , no problem , however after this is done you have to remember that your dogs will be carrying a live vaccine and the kennels will probaly not let them in for 8 -10 days after you have had it done some kennels are longer than that so check first.
Also another thing to remember is after they have had it done as they will be carrying it in live form they can pass it on to other dogs so keep them well away from they young and old dogs you may see in your park.
My friends old yorkie passed away after meeting a dog in the park that has the vaccine two days before and caught kennel cough and died , she was 14 years old, only because the vet did not tell her to keep her dogs seperate from other dogs for a while after having the jab, hence that is why kennels will not have them in straight away becouse they will be carriers.

Peanuts

Peanuts. I am a bit confused. If my dogs could pass it on to another dog as my dogs would become carriers. Am i not inflicted it on them by having them vaccinated. I am looking forward to my daughter's wedding  very much but I would never forgive myself if anything happened to my two for the sake of two nights away in the kennels. The both hate anything near their faces. The youngest one has problems even having her hair trimmed around her face, so she is going to hate something puffed up her nose.

Kennel cough vaccine is usually a 'Modified live vaccine' (MLV), not a 'killed' vaccine. MLVs (the 'modified' means they're inactivated so don't cause illness) only require a single dose and give much stronger immunity much quicker than killed vaccines.

However, the dog can develop a residual cough, which sounds just like kennel cough shortly after the vaccine, which is why i would make sure they have it a few weeks in advance of going into kennels.

If it can give older dogs kenel cough if your dogs are around them then I have a problem, here it is....
I am going away at Easter and putting the two younger dogs in kennels, but Gemma, my old girl will be going to my mums.
So Ebba is vaccinated, Beano will be done in the next few weeks, and then a month to two weeks before I put them in kennels I will get the KC done.
BUT Gemma (nearly 10 and an old 10)wont be having it done as she wont be in kennels.
Will it put Gemma at risk of getting it???? I really dont think she could cope with kennel cough at all :( So if thats the case I cannot go away :(
Also Ebba has had Kennel cough in Nov last year, will the vaccine cause her any problems???
Help
Lea.

Anyone????
Lea :)

Hi, Intervet & Virbac kennel cough vax contains both Bordatella & parainfluenza virus. Combi vax also contain parainfluenza, so any dogs done with combi vax & having the kc vax will be getting Pi twice :rolleyes:

*Immunocompromised individuals should avoid any contact with the vaccine and vaccinated dogs for up to six weeks after vaccination.* taken from links below.

I`d be very careful meself!

http://www.intervet.co.uk/Products_Public/Nobivac_KC/090_Product_Datasheet.asp

http://www.noahcompendium.co.uk/Virbac_Limited/Canigen_KC/-34991.html

ps manufacturers recommend it be done anually, so the one given last nov. should still be effective.

Our local kennels will accept the homeopathic remedy - it might be worth asking them?
Unless your dogs are very young or very old then kennel cough itself isn't risky for them - our new vet says it's really like humans catching a cold and prefers not to give the vaccination.

Just because they've had the jab it doesn't protect them against all
forms of KC either (in exact same way as the human flu jab, it only
innoculates against the forms the vaccine is for) If you have a different
strain it won't cover it and potentially your dogs can still develop KC if they
come into contact with an affected dog.

However most kennels require the KC vaccine for their own insurances.

**Just because they've had the jab it doesn't protect them against all
forms of KC either (in exact same way as the human flu jab, it only
innoculates against the forms the vaccine is for) If you have a different
strain it won't cover it and potentially your dogs can still develop KC if they
come into contact with an affected dog.**

Absolutely correct! :)

*However most kennels require the KC vaccine for their own insurances*   I just don`t understand how insurance companies have the right to insist on this

Vaccinations aren`t compulsory.............

>I just don`t understand how insurance companies have the right to insist on this

Insurance companies will (rightly IMO) only insure licensed boarding kennels. Licences are provided by local councils, and local councils will only issue licences to boarding kennels which only accept fully vaccinated animals.

**local councils will only issue licences to boarding kennels which only accept fully vaccinated animals.**

I believe local councils say *animals to be vaccinated according to manufacturers guidlines*

And as I said, vax aren`t compulsary ;) nor is KC classed as a core vaccine.

And as previously mentioned, some kennels accept animals treated with h/pathic nosodes (as some of the PAT dogs are treated) & they`re licensed ;)

Individual councils make their own rules. So do insurance companies. If you want to use them, you play by their rules.

>And as I said, vax aren`t compulsary

Nor is kennelling. ;)

*Nor is kennelling*

No it isn`t, it`s a service for the paying public, as is insurance.  And as such can`t go against manufacturers guidelines.
Thats why I`m pretty sure councils say vaccinated according to manu`s guidlines.

It`s about time kennel owners were challenged as to why they are trying to force owners into vaccinating their animals when it may not be needed & indeed in some cases, downright dangerous

According to this site vaccination against bordetella requires a booster every 6-10 months, so boarding kennels generally require evidence of recent KC vaccination, of not more than 11 months previously.

And according to both makers of the KC vaccine it gives duration of immunity for one whole year :)

http://www.noahcompendium.co.uk/Intervet_UK_Ltd/Nobivac_KC/-29509.html

http://www.noahcompendium.co.uk/Virbac_Limited/Canigen_KC/-34989.html

Excellent. That means councils are sensible to require kennels to insist on evidence of annual vaccination then. :)

**Excellent. That means councils are sensible to require kennels to insist on evidence of annual vaccination then**

Nothing sensible about giving dogs a double vax of Pi :rolleyes:

Its not councils job to insist , they advise following manufacturers guidlines & KC is not classed as a core vaccine. :)

>Nothing sensible about giving dogs a double vax of Pi

In your opinion. :) Others (including professionals) have the right to differ. :)

**In your opinion.  Others (including professionals) have the right to differ**

Of course it`s my opinion, thats why I wrote it :D

I`ve never disputed anyones right to differ, professional or not tho there are quite a few folk hold the same opinion as me ;) :D

*However most kennels require the KC vaccine for their own insurances*   I just don`t understand how insurance companies have the right to insist on this

Vaccinations aren`t compulsory............. *

Unfortunately insurance companies can hold you to their own terms. If you want to be covered by insurance and
comply with all rules and regs of running a boarding kennel.
Just the same way that some pet insurance policies dictate that your insured
pet must have their innoculations or not be covered for any illness/disease caused by
lack of innoculations. Some don't recognise h-nosodes and insist on conventional vaccinations.

Basically you have to play by their rules and tough if you don't like it.
In the same way re the current hikes in pet insurance premiums - we still keep insuring our pets.
Even though premiums are increasing percentage wise more than vets bills ;) :rolleyes:

It's a pity the majority of councils insist dogs are fully vaccinated to stay in kennels; clearly they need to be re-educated!  

My dogs have been in kennels about 6 times and they have never had to have this before. As I said before, I don't really have an option as they would be left far too long on the day of the wedding and we are probably going to stay over at the hotel but I am still not too happy about them having this.If it was a jab then I would probably be fine with it but I just know they are going to hate this

Maggie, if you are concerned about this, wouldn't it be better to consider putting the dogs back into the original kennel where they've been before, even if this meant you would have to leave them there for another day and pick them up on the Monday?  You don't want to be fretting about them while at the wedding.

So would it be better rto vaccinate all 3 even though only two are going into kennels????
And Ebba actually had KC and was on antibiotics for it, she didnt have the vaccine ;)
Think I need to go and see the vet and talk to them about it.
Lea :)

All I can say, is when I used to vaccinated my dogs, the older dogs got KC 3 times

Since I stopped vaxing them, all but 1 of the younger ones haver never had it at all :)

I vaccinated against KC one year just because of showing. One morning got up did the dogs (all fine) and popped into town. When I got back one of them was coughing and had green discharge from the nose and wheezing. I'd only been gone about 3 hrs. Rushed her to the vet who was only 5 houses away. She had full blown Kennel Cough. Took her home and an hour later she stopped breathing, luckily vet was home and she ran across to the house. Dog was hospitalised with Kennel Cough, the vet said she had never seen it like that. As the dog had been vaccinated she contacted the company who makes the vaccine and they agreed it should not have happened as although it could be a different strain it should have offered some protection and so the dog should not have been that sick. They paid for all her treatment which was alot and she returned home 1 week later. I have never used the vaccine again and I am understandably parnoid about KC, I only have to hear a dog cough and I am running!!!

In nearly 25 years, I've never had a dog vaccinated for kennel cough and never had one with it even after taking them to shows all over the country.  I've also had many dogs coughing in the grooming parlour while my own dogs have been hanging through the window!  Now whether that is because they have their own immunity or my disease control precautions I've no idea.  But I do find that the harder I try, the luckier I am. ;)

It would have been so simple if the kennels had just taken them in without the kennel cough buisness. I did not know too much about it. Now I feel bad if I put them into a kennel that doesn't insist they have it encase they catch it and worried about them having it encase anything happens to them. They go to the parlour every eight weeks where there are other dogs there all the time and as I said one is 8yrs and one is 7yrs and I have never had any problems.  I know weddings are stressfull at the best of times but this is stressing me out already.

Maggie only you can make the decision, but if the kennel will accept the homeopathic nosodes then this might be a better option for them.  Have you asked the Kennels?

From what my vet says, kennel cough is like a cold to most dogs and most dogs can fight it off - and vaccinations are not necessary.

It is a worry when we need to put our dogs in kennels - however short their stay and for whatever reason.

Let us know what you decide.
Maria :)

This has really worried me now, I wish I could start a new rthread on it as need serious advice ASAP. And yes I am going to ask the vets very soon, but need more than one opinion.
As I have said I have 2 younger dogs that will be vaccinated against KC but Gemma is an old 9 1/2 and will be 10 by the time the vacs are administered I am VERY worried about what will happen with her.
She is staying with my mum but the other 2 are gointg to kennles (I am going to see and choose them this week!!! )
She is on 100mg of Rymadyl a day and various other homopathic meds, and the one thing I have see is
Immunocompromised individuals should avoid any contact with the vaccine and vaccinated dogs for up to six weeks after vaccination.
#But dont know if this applies to Gemma, as she is not ILL. But she is old and donnot want her to get KC as I really dont think she could fight it off.
HELP
Lea.

Lea, can she go stay with your mum a bit earlier?

http://www.news.wisc.edu/story.php?get=8413

http://www.caberfeidh.com/Revax.htm

I have taken on board all that everyone has said and I am not happy about the vacination. I have rang the kennels which they have been to before and they do not insist on them having it there as they say they can pick it up anywhere in parks etc. My two have been having there hair cut every 6-8 weeks since they were 9weeks old mixing with other dogs and I haven't had a problem. I am still worried as I don't want to push my luck but I am going with my instinct at the moment. They have to spend one extra night in the kennels because they do not let them out on a Sunday but I would rather that I think.  I will look forward to the wedding now but my two little ones won't be too far from my mind I can assure you and I will be more than happy to pick them up again on the Monday morning. Being at home Sunday night without them will be very strange and quiet.

Yes it`s quite true what the kennels say Maggie, KC can be picked up anywhere, its not limited to boarding kennels!
I think its a wise choice you`ve made, taking them back to the kennels you`ve used before :) Not only from the vax issue but also as you`re happy with them & the dogs are happy with them, I`m sure it`ll be less stressful all around. Happy dogs are more healthy dogs ;) :D
Shame about not being able to pick them up on the Sunday but nothings perfect is it?

Enjoy the wedding :D