I have just come back from a walk with my pup Ruby and my two children.
On the way home we saw on the opposite side of the road a man walking two huge pure white dogs with brown ears. Ruby obviously got very excited, she wanted to go and see them. I was quite happy just to keep walking.
Then I nearly died of fright, he crossed over deliberatley to where we were.
He was very chatty and said they were not vicious, they were not Pit Bulls or anything. They started jumping all over Ruby, then they wanted my sons sweets.
I kept trying to walk away but he kept talking. He kept telling me that they were 19 and a half stone of pure muscle!!!!! They were huge. Having the kids with me and Ruby I felt very intimidated, trying to keep the boys away from them
. I didn't disbelieve him that his dogs were friendly but I thought what he did was a bit thoughtless. I know nothing about these sorts of breeds at all but why
did he specify they were not pit bull? Are they very similar to American Bull dogs?
I do not have anything against these sorts of breeds or the people who
own them but I do not want them shoved in mine or my childrens faces.
Sorry I am rambling but it was a bit scary. He did not even seem to have control of them. They only had on a nylon collar and lead and he struggled to pull them away from my youngest son. I feel I am being a bit unfair to him but I felt so uncomfortable.

Ali,
Is this what you saw?

American Bulldog description
American Bulldog Photos

Hi Eogh
They sort of looked like them, but had much longer noses. They were also massive. He said one of them was 10 stone the other 9 and a half stone. The closest I could get on those pictures was one called Doozey! But they were pure white.

where in the country are you?-when we stayed over at gatwick last week we took the pei out and had someone come up to tell us all about his dog, -he'd paid a grand for him and he was a sussex bulldog!!!seemingly theyre bred by someone down there to be healthier than the british bulldog, his discription was very much like yours apart from his had a flat face still,

I live in Warboys in Cambridgeshire. These Bulldogs do get around don't they :D

Ali,
For some wierd reason, my computer won't load the photo site again and I don't know which one was "Doozie".
more photos ABA has more large white ABAs. Did the dogs have anything like boxers, bulldogs, or perhaps a resemblance to great Dane's for the length of their muzzels?

Now you have me curious :D
toodles

I have had a look at all the piccys. To be honest there are a lot of similarities but the ones i saw were not as close looking to a boxer as the link ones. Also i looked up the full grown height for a male AB and it said 27 inches at the shoulder. These dogs were definatley bigger than that. Like I said the piccys I have seen of the AB do look very like the boxer face, but these had a long nose but a very square head and the body/chest etc were massive. From my memory of a pit bull they have longer noses on a square head? but are they not quite small? The nose was quite pointy not like a dane.

A friend has told me she thinks they are called Bandogs.
Does anyone one know anything about this breed? As far as she is aware they are not a recognised breed.

do these help Ali

bandog

bandog2

Hi Sara
Thanks. This site was very interesting and alarming :(
I now think they were definatley Bandogs, some kind of Mastiff crossed with a pit bull. Having looked at the site on American Bulldogs provided by Eoghania (BTW the owner told me they were American Bulldogs) they were NOT AM Bulldogs.
Just hope I don't meet them too often around the village.
Ali

HI Ali,
Bandogs are normally created by crossing bull breeds with mastiff breeds apparently...
did they look anything like any of these or these?

Ali I really do feel for you. I tend to stand for 15min or so every now and then on my front garden with Kassie on the lead to get her used to it- I use the front because she doesn't go on there so it's all new to her just as it will be in a few weeks when we can go out properly. The other day I'd nipped to the local shop for a loaf with my kids when I got outside there was a man stood there with two huge GSD's- got to be over breed standard- anyway he started talking saying he'd seen me on the front with a rather nice looking bitch and just started me questions about her- in a friendly manner fair enough- I asked back about his and he said 'you can stroke her- but don't even touch her- she's not friendly', of course I tightened my grip on the kids hands once he said this (I always hold their hand anyway if there's an unfamiliar dog, man etc)- I was trying to get on my way as I didn't want Kane to even attempt to stroke her but he just kept talking and talking! Sometimes it's hard to be polite when situations like this occur- I mean what do you say?- I used the 'Right I've got to get off- I've left the cooker on', 'Are you hungry Darling- we'll go and get your tea now'- honestly everything I could think of! How did you end up making your escape?

Stacey x x x

Hi Cleopatra
Yep they were 100% Bandogs. I am 99% sure that they are Mastiff/pitbull Bandogs judging by the photos. Very scary looking!!!!!
Does anyone know anyone that has Bandogs or have any experience with them?

Ali, no experience of bandogs, but you all have me a bit worried now. I often stop and speak to people with children/dogs if the child/dog shows an interest in my dogs, and as often as not I have quite a few stones of solid muscle on the lead. If I though my dogs were scaring people, I'd stop. Have many of you been frightened when someone with big, friendly dogs stops to chat?

Hi Sharon
In no way did I mean that people should not stop and chat.
I have had all sorts stop to talk to me and the kids with Dobes/rotties/labs/weims/spaniels/danes etc etc.
But the feeling I had from this man and his dogs was unnerving. He seemed to revel in the size and power of his dogs and how fantastic they were at scaring people. He also made no attempt to keep the dog away from my 3 year old who had a pack of sweeties in his hand. , i do not even let my dog try to take sweets of the kids! The larger of the two dogs was also trying to get to my 13 week old pup and he was being pulled along. I had no faith in this mans ability to control these two dogs, and irrespective of the breed I would of been worried. I hope you did not take my post the wrong way. :D :D :D I love to meet people and their dogs, but not this man and these dogs!!! :) :) :)

Hi Ali, I was just a bit worried that other people might be alarmed by the hounds. I'd never thought of them as frightening, but I suppose they might be to some unsuspecting soul, and I'd hate to think that I was letting them scare people inadvertantly. But if this man wasn't able to make the dogs stay back, and was emphasising how big and strong they were, that's different. Mind you, although they won't take then unless they are told its OK, I can't guarantee that long black noses won't be quivering at the sweeties if we ever meet on the street :-)

LOL Sharon :D
BTW whos got the long black quivering nose? :p

Ali, where sweets are concerned, mine is the short, white, freckled, quivering one :D!

Have just read this thread and am just can't help wandering if this dog you saw was an Argentine Dogo but it sounds far too heavy to be one. I have read and seen a lot of the Bandog and it is actually a neapolitan mastiff crossed with an american pit bull terrier although a couple of people have experimented with english mastiff and pit bull but they don't come in white there have been no white bandogs. There have been these pitbullmastiffs which some classify as a bandog they are black and white occassionally. If someone in England has these they either must have a pit bull to breed from or they are importing them, they could be imported by simply registering them in Franmce or the continent as Neapolitan Mastiffs then importing at 10 months and later breeding from them.

http://www.uwsp.edu/psych/dog/LA/distano5.htm Article on Bandogs

Don't rule out a Johnson's Bulldog American Pit Bull terrier cross those the police are looking out for as there are scum crossing those.

I must correct myself check these out!

http://hometown.aol.com/bamsbandogges/index.html

HI I DO FEEL SORRY FOR YOUR INCIDENT WITH BANDOGS BUT AS FAR AS IM CONCERED IT COULD HAVE IF THEY WERE ANY DOG. I BLAME THE OWNERS FOR SAVAGE DOGS NOT THE ANIMAL AS 9 TIMES OUT OF 10 IT IS THE WAY THEY HAVE BEEN BOUGHT UP. I CURRENTLY HAVE 2 BANDOGS 1 OF WHICH IS 65KG AND HE IS A GENTLE GIANT, YES HE DOES LOOK SCARY BECAUSE OF HIS SIZE AND YES HE DOES BARK WHEN PEOPLE COME TO MY HOUSE THAT HE DOESN'T KNOW, BUT I KNOW HE WOULD NEVER BITE ANYBODY. MY DAUGHTER AND TITAN (MY DOG ) ARE ONLY 2 WEEKS APART IN AGE AND HE IS WONDERFUL SHE RIDES HIME PLAYS WITH HIM AND TORMENTS HIM TO NO END BUT TITAN COULDN'T CARE LESS. I HAVE ALSO HAD A PURE BRED PITBULL WHICH WE GOT AND 1 YEAR OF AGE I ADMIT THAT AT FIRST I WAS CONCERENED BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE HER AS A PUP AND NOT KNOWING WHAT HERE PREVIOUS OWNERS DID WITH HER. BUT SHE WAS THE MOST TRUSTWORTHY DOG WITH MY DAUGHTER I COULD HAVE EVER HOPED FOR. SHE WAS HAVING PUPS AND MY DAUGHTER WAS GRABBING THEM AND BRINGING THEM TO ME AT AGE 1 1/2 YEARS OLD THERE IS NOT MANY DOGS THAT WOULD LET A 11/2 YEAR OLD TAKE THIER PUPS. I LOVE MY DOGS VERY MUCH AND HAVE THE COUNCIL TRY TO TAKE THEM, WITH THE NEW PITBULL LEGISLATION IN AUSTRALIA AND I WILL FIGHT TOOTH AND NAIL TO KEEP THEM THEY ARE OUR FAMILY TO.

Quite

WHATS WITH THE SAD FACE. I'M SORRY FOR WHAT ALI C WENT THROUGH BUT I STILL BELIEVE IT IS THE OWNERS FAULT NOT THE BREED OF DOG.

Fiona ..please take Caps Lock off when replying :) It makes your posts difficult to read

Thanks

Melody

I am sorry but i am quite astounded that people can drag up old forgotton subjects and then dissect them
I have just got back from holiday and was catching up on old posts and I just could not believe it :rolleyes: This was an old incident that happened a long time ago that I have thought nothing about since. :(
As i said I have nothing against these breeds or any breeds and had it of been 2 boxers this man had ( i myself have a boxer) I would have been wary. I had my two children (young) with me and what I commented on was that it was thoughtless. It could have been two yorkies for all i care, the fact is where my children are concerned I turn into *mummy mode* and any dog i do not know is worrying. As a dog lover had i been on my own, i would have quite happily chatted to him and stroked and asked about his dogs, but i wasnt on my own and my childrens safety is paramount. They have no fear of dogs and i intend to keep it that way, but they must also learn to respect the danger SOME dogs can propose. As a dog lover, dogs do not frighten me, but as a mother they do! :(

Ali,Iknow just how you felt(see my post DISTRAUGHT!! on this board), what a coincidence, I am sure what you are describing is the HUGE X breed that I encountered although this is not the dog that bit my pup, but it was certainly an intimidating dog to meet and not being on lead.Another coincidence I live in Fenland Cambridgeshire not all that far from you.The breed that I met was not aggressive, but a very strong dog!!

19 1/2 stone, thats the weight of wrestlers !!
I have newfs there very big at 12-13 stone danes about the same maybe bit bigger , i hate to think of the size of these chaps

Without getting to involved in what these dogs are,(its pure conjecture as none of us know for sure)I would like to say this. There is two types of american bulldog there is the J D Johnson and there is the standard type. These dogs come in a variety of colours although the JD type is mainly pure whit or white with the odd patch of colour, the JD type looks like its been crossed by the boxer somewhere. The other looks like a pit bull only the size of a mastiff. For the record a bandog is a cross neopolitan mastif and pit bull, anything else is just a big dog. The dogs in question were more likely to be american bulldogs or crossed with an english bull mastiff as this is the most popular choice of cross. It is highly unlikely to be an argentinian dogo as I have never heard of one in britain. The dogo is basically a pure white pit bull from argentina. If you want to see more of these types of dog Try searching Mollossar world on google. I know from years of ownership of a pit bull that the public (inc dog people/police/vets/and RSPCA officials) dont have a clue whether they are looking at pit bulls am bulls am staffs irish staffs or even just big staffs. To guess what this breed is from a description is totaly wrong.

Its not what the dogs were that I was posting on, its what the guy done.

This person probably thought he was doing these types of dog a favour by introducing them to as many people as possible to show how nice they are, Im sorry you were frightened by this he would'nt have meant to do that. The other side of the coin is he could have met me and I would have loved to have met his dogs. This person is probably used to an adverse reaction with his choice of dog. I get the same reactions. I do however sympathise with joe public as yes these dogs can be scary and they get unfare press because of the owners of some. I dont approach people to introduce my dogs unless they are taking an interest in them.

I would end on the note that none of the dogs from the bulldog range are naturally vicious towards people. Its people that make them like that.

Mick

we understand where you are coming from because we own 2 bandogs with papers, 1 purebred pitbull and a great dane cross bull arab. we have a 2 year old daughter and wouldn't trust any dog more than ours. she hand feeds them all. however they do let us know if someone is around but we are positive that they would not bite, we are on 5 acres.

Given the right circumstances I would not wish to say that any breed of dog would not bite, I have heard it said too often 'don't worry he wont bite' followed by ' Oh sorry he's never done that before, must be some thing you did' Jackie

There is a first time for everything - we all do things we have never done before (dogs included). I am always slightly wary of any large dog as I know my springer could pull me over, get away, knock someone over if he really wanted to and he is comparatively small. Owners are not always in control, despite thinking they are. We have a Rottie locally whose is walked by a young lad of about 11yrs. I don't consider that responsible. The dog is lovely, friendly and playful but what happens the day he decides he isn't going to comply with instruction given??? They don't have to be ferocious or aggressive to cause problems, but the sheer size can cause trouble. A neighbour broke her hip when she got knocked over by a lab. He didn't mean it!

My bullmastiffs are the most gentle creatures on this planet . but I still would not leave a child alone with a dog any dog any breed it is foolhardy to do so .
A child can do impulsive things and the dog may not be well and react.
The rage syndrome can happen at any time so why would anyone take a chance like that .
I always say when I send a puppy to a new home , Remember my cardinal rule is never never let a child alone with a dog. Dont take any chances none at all . Thats the best way to go. Mari

My sentiments too

Mick

I would like to point out that a Bandog is a cross between a Neopolitan Mastiff and a Pit Bull. Only this cross makes what was originaly known as a Bandog. Anything else is just a big cross breed.

I have never heard of any reported cases of bandogs in the uk. This doesnt mean there are none, but very few and far between.

There is plenty of Mastiff cross pit bulls and Gt Dane cross pit bulls. These are not bandogs.

As for the owner of the dog. he should be more aware that people are afraid of these types of dog. I said earlier he was probably trying to show how good his dogs are and went about it the wrong way. I would dearly love to have met him.

As I said before we cant decide what type a dog is by a description over the internet. How can anyone say its an Argentinian dogo or a bandog. This sort of behaviour is what fuels public hysteria over any type of bull breed. Were these dogs wearing ski masks or carrying sawn off shotguns by any chance.

Once again the dogs are getting unfair reports because of the owner.

There is a large cross rotty/GSD in our town it is almost completely black and larger than a bull mastiff. I only know what it is as I asked the owner. The dog is a gentle giant but intimidating. Im sure its been called all sorts of different breeds crosses etc and none of them even close.

All the best Mick

Hi ali c
what you have just said sounds fair to me. I only posted my comments as the subject had been re opened

All the best Mick

Hello,

Sorry to disagree, but the Argentine Dogo does not have anything to do with a white pitbull at all . I am an Argentine Dogo breeder and the Dog is a mixture of ten other breeds done in the beginning of the century by Dr. Agustin Norez Martinez and his brother for big hunting games , like the puma and the wild boar .