I have cleaned both my dogs teeth from being puppies and they quite enjoy it, however one dog has really nice white teeth and the other has brown patches on his back molars.  As well as cleaning with a brush I have started to use the Homeopathic Fragaria which seems to help but there are still some broen patches.

Has anyone got any suggestions of any other product that could help?

Thanks

Raw chicken wings- the only "product" that worked on my vizslas teeth.

I find PLaque Off helps too, but you can't beat RMB's for keeping the teeth nice and sparkly ;)

Raw carrots are supposed to work well - but I keep forgetting to buy them, so can't vouch for them first hand!

I give both my dogs raw carrots but they like them sliced up they won't eat or chew on a full carrot but he still has slight brown patches on his teeth.

Thanks for the advise anyway.

Just wondered how many chicken wings a week might help a bit with stains on small dogs' teeth like a cocker? My OH doesn't approve of feeding raw meat, so I could only give them something once a week if that - would that be any good at all?

my dogs teeth were clean after just one bone so any thing will help

My older dog had terrible teeth when we got him from Battersea - our vet said that he might have to go in for a descale (he was only a young dog) :( However, the teeth cleaned up completely by giving him bones :)

Daisy

One of my Goldies had awful teeth and breath, but within a couple of days of changing to a raw diet (raw meaty bones in the morning, raw meat and veg in the evening) his teeth were sparkling and his breath was sweet. I'm sure if you didn't want to feed raw, some raw meaty bones maybe a couple of times a week would work wonders.

Ooh, that might be worth sneaking them one next time he's away over night then. He really is dead against it - says they could get salmonosis (sp?). I told him people on here have said dogs don't get salmonella like humans, as their guts are designed for raw food, but he says he wants to see scientific proof!

but he says he wants to see scientific proof!

Would a large Golden Retriever be proof enough :D     Harley is raw fed and a picture of health :)

We don't have a problem with our Goldies teeth it's our Flat Coat, I think it's because he gulps his food instead of chewing as our Goldie does.

If you give a raw marrow bone, then he won't be able to swallow it :D :D

Daisy

I went down to the butchers this morning for one each but guess what they had all gone so mine are without this weekend.

Alas no, he says he's not interested in how many dogs haven't had trouble on the diet, he wants to see proper research and statistics on dogs getting salmonella etc. Think I'll just sneak them a chicken wing next time he's away overnight and see what effect it has on the teeth. I know I have to supervise to make sure they crunch it up properly instead of just gulping it down (could be tricky with the Yankee! )

It rather sounds to me like he wants research which will back up his own ideas!

[url=]k9joy.com/dogarticles/doghealth01salmonella.pdf [/url]

Have a look at the link above - or better still get your OH to look. I'm not very good at links so you may have to cut and paste it :)

http://www.k9joy.com/dogarticles/doghealth01salmonella.pdf

Thank you Lea :)

Thanks for the link Harley - looks interesting.

http://rawfed.com/myths/bacteria.html

Lucy what does your OH think dogs evolved to eat,cooked kibble? ;) Their whole genetic make up is geared toward raw meat and bones.They are canines/carnivors,not people ;)

Let us know what he says about the links posted :)

I'm leaving them up on the screen for him! :-) I don't particularly want to change over to a raw diet, but I would like to be able to give the odd chicken wing if that's the best for tartar, as although I brush their teeth, they do have a bit of staining round the edges of the canines, and on the back teeth, and I don't want the vet to start suggesting expensive descaling treatment next time we visit!!

He found me an article saying the opposite - I guess it's one of those things you can prove whichever way you want! He says wild dogs only live about 4 years and often die of malnutrition, so it's hardly reassuring to know they evolved to eat bones. :-) I'm not that bothered, like I said, I don't want to put them on RMB full time!

If he is thinking of African Wild dogs(the "painted"dogs)they have a life expectancy of 11 years not 4 & are of course total carnivores,they rarely die of malnutrition as the hunt in a pack & share their prey. They do die of natural causes in old age & the bodies found will be not in peak health condition wise because of age or disease-not because they couldn't eat

I remember a documentary filmed over a year in the life of a pack & there were quite old dogs in the pack(the pack had been studied for many years not just the one filmed)

Lucy ask your hubby if he's willing to brush your dogs teeth everyday,pay for expensive scaling whilst putting them under risk of anesthesia,not to mention the pain associated with gingivitis should that ever occur,then there are the secondary ailments associated with bad oral health,heart,liver and kidney problems...

If he thinks giving your dogs a raw chicken wing every now and then to prevent these problems occurring has more risks attached to it,then you've got a fight on your hands

I would just start giving your dogs bones,OH has to understand that your dogs health has to come before his paranoia.

Get him to take a look at this site http://www.rawdogranch.com

Is he also aware that dogs can pick up salmonella from kibble,chicken poop is one of the most common carriers of salmonella.I'm sure loads of dogs come in contact with sal.and much,much worse on regular basis without their owners even knowing about it.The risk is almost negligible,especially for a normal healthy dog with robust immune system.I'm more worried about what my dogs pick up on walks everyday and drinking out of streams than from human grade meat.

Just thought I'd add - tried the raw carrots today. FCR threw it around and pounced on it (:D) but when he realised it was edible lay down and crunched it quite happily, and his teeth are much better than they were before, tho still do have brown areas. I've found raw ox marrow bones work beautifully, but unfortunately give my gsp concurrent colitis and consipation (don't know if it's just because he gets so excited by them he overeats them, but can't risk keeping giving them in case it isn't).

Tried raw carrots on mine and they weren't interested. My OH does very little except love the dogs, and get them horrible tangled and filthy on walks if we're on holiday in the Lakes. I was the one who wanted 3 dogs, so I have the job of caring for them - fair most of the time, I think! :-)