have been reading alot about the benifits of raw chicken wings to firm up poop... do you give a chicken wing with the bones in it?
my partner says 'no way' as the bones will splinter and stick in our pups throat... do you actually let them eat the bone and swallow it?

Lots of folks feed chicken wings as treats and for keeping teeth clean, and many feed them as part of a raw diet :)  They are safe provided they are uncooked.   Never feed any type of bone unless completely raw.

Hold onto the end of them initially - it helps youngsters learn to chew on them before swallowing :)

regards, Teri 

thanks teri - sorry if this sounds silly - should they infact chew swallow the bone? as this sounds dangerous to me
x

Yes, they chew and swallow the bone. Raw bone is much softer and more pliable than cooked bone, which becomes brittle and dangerous.

Yes - they chew and swallow them :)   I've had adults just swallow them whole :rolleyes: hence suggesting you hold onto them for a while until pup gets used to idea of gnawing on them.  You can always bash them (wings, not dogs ) with a rolling pin (yep, like I've got one of those weird things :D ) or a hammer at the beginning if you're uneasy about it.

regards, Teri

Have just read this ....Hudson Delta and Maddy have JUST this minute finished off their raw turkey legs LOL

aaaah, big dogs = big chickens :D

My dogs are big but the turn there noses up at turkey wings and necks - took much effort :rolleyes:

My dogs are big too but a whole turkey leg is just too much like effort for them :rolleyes: Muggins here stands and cuts all the meat of them for them and then they get the bones for 'afters'. They've trained me well....:rolleyes: :D

Mine get given them ...if they don't eat them they *know* they won't get another chance LOL Cruel mummy here ;)

You got it in one :D I have a feeling they would try an ostrich leg if it was offered to them :p :p

Poochiepet it\'s the bone part that firms up the poop :) If you took the bone out and only fed the meat you would soon have a dog with dire rear.

My dane puppy loves chicken wings and whole carcasses - both of which she devours in seconds.  Tried her with turkey necks and wings and she couldn't get her teeth through the meat.  Hopefully she will get the hang of them as she grows - I have a freezer full of the flippin things!!  :rolleyes:

Hi Poochiepet,

Dogs have had problems with raw bones and there is also a slight risk of salmonela from the raw chicken. 

Overall though, you need to keep in mind that*nothing* that fits in your dog's mouth is absolutley safe!  You weigh the risks with the benefits and make your own decision.  I'm of the school where I would not feed chicken wings to my dogs, but that's a personal choice.

>Dogs have had problems with raw bones and there is also a slight risk of salmonela from the raw chicken. <

Hi Stacey :)

Can i ask how you came to form your above opinion? Particularly the salmonella from raw chicken :)

I must admit, the very thought of feeding raw bones makes me feel a little queazy. Where do you feed these bones? I would be horrified if Harvey was eating raw chicken on the rug

Yep, on the rug that's where Ciara has hers :-) quite often after she's had an initial chew she likes to come and rest it on my knee or on my feet to finish it - I'm vegetarian so not loving it, but I think it's kind of sweet that she likes to share :-)

Karen

Now thats what I call true love! Maybe I'll treat Harvey to a chicken wing one day soon but.....................and thats a big but, only on the kitchen floor where I can wipe with dettox afterwards - my poor deprived pooch:rolleyes:

:-D Yes I'm sure he's very hard done by! :-)

Hi Sara,

Raw chicken being a common source of salmonella is not my opinion, it's fact.  Dogs are less likely to be affected by it, however, since their digestive systems work differently than ours.   It does not mean, however, that it is impossible to make them ill.  I'd suggest you ask your vet. 

If you do a Web search on chicken and salmonella you should find a lot of articles on the topic, most of them aimed at proper cooking and care when handling raw chicken for people.

I've known people whose dogs have had serious problems with raw bones, so I personally choose not too feed them. Chicken wings included.   If I could find large knuckle bones, which can be gnawed but not crunched and swallowed, I would give those to my dogs for "recreation" and teeth cleaning.  ( I have small dogs.) None of the butchers near me have them available.   So it's my opinion that the risk of feed raw bones, like chicken wings, outweighs the benefits. 

By the way - I also give my dogs things like rawhide - which I personally have had to pull out of my dog's mouths in the past to prevent chocking.  I stay away from Greenies too - which are not fully digestible, despite the way they are advertised.  So I am not anti-raw or anti-bone necessarily.

I also give my dogs things like rawhide

Hm so you prefer to give your dogs treats that have been treated with toxic chemical They used to make rawhide chews just up the road from where I was brought up & some of the chemicals used are carcinogenics. I've never given my dogs anything rawhide

I don't know about when you were brought up ;) but they have regulations now about what can be used on food stuffs even pet foods.  I would not use rawhide chews because of the choking danger but I would not worry about "chemicals".

Isabel most rawhides are imported and there is NO information on where they come from or with what chemicals they have been treated with. I have to say I am with MM on this, and there is plenty of information to support this view from reputable sources.

I see, well as I say I don't feed them, although I thought imported food stuffs were covered by the same regulations and of course if they were still made up the road from MMs rearing ground they certainly would be :)

The reason why they are no longer made in the tannery off shoot factory near me is because the tannery was bought out by a foreign company & that company now produces them abroad in the third world where the same chemicals are still used(was the subject of a factual program on the TV some time ago)

Perhaps the answer for those who wish to use these is to seek out UK produced ones then, although, as I say, it is my understanding imports have to comply to our own regulations anyway.  I would imagine, these days, customs are even more careful with imported animal products for disease reasons.

Mums friend used to work at a artificial limb place, he used to bring us strips of rawhide for the dogs that they used to make the limbs

Hi Moonmaiden,

Woops, I forgot the words "DO NOT".   I meant to write, " By the way - I also DO NOT give my dogs things like rawhide - which I personally have had to pull out of my dog's mouths in the past to prevent chocking.  I stay away from Greenies too - which are not fully digestible, despite the way they are advertised.  So I am not anti-raw or anti-bone necessarily. "

You can buy rawhide that is not treated with toxic chemicals or even bleached.  If that was my only concern I would buy rawhide, but I don't buy rawhide because of potential problems with choking.

I didnt think your post read correctly

>most of them aimed at proper cooking and care when handling raw chicken for people.>

I wasnt asking about people :) I guess i wanted to see some links that proved dogs can get salmonella from raw chicken,have you ever met a dog that contracted salmonella?

I have seen more complications from things like rawhide ,greenies and other artificial chews.The only problems i have seen with bones have been when idiotic owners give them >Cooked<

I've found several contradictory articles whilst googling about dogs and salmonella.

The article refered to in your first link is here

Actually cairnmania dont worry about answering my post :) You dont agree with raw bones,and probably never will,i dont want to debate with you over the pro and con of feeding chicken bones to dogs.You feel raw chicken is dangerous,then fair enough,each to their own :)

Jeangenie and Isabel i havnt got time right now to check out those links,will do tomorrow though. What is the general concensus,dogs and salmonella,yay or nay? :)

From what I have read from the Googling (too many links to list but it's all out there) Yay. Not many are affected but that is commenserate with the fact that relatively few eat raw chicken.  Taking the risks into perspective though I would not worry too much but I would probably stick to freezing first or if feeding fresh stick to good fresh ones, none of those bargain sell by date ones :)
There is certainly a public health issue too but I think most of the posters here know about cleanliness around the feeding raw business.

Sara,

My vet has treated several cases of dogs with intestinal problems from salmonella.  

If you want to spend the time, I am sure you will find information which substantiates that dogs can get food poisoning from salmonella.  They may be less likely to be affected by it than people, but that does not mean they are immune to samonella.

One of my friends lost a dog from intestinal damage caused by feeding raw bones.  Another had a dog that required surgery, but fortunately it survived.  Oh, the fortunate survivor's damage was the result of eating so-called "safe" raw chicken wings. Neither of my friends are idiots - and they both believed they were doing the right thing for their dogs by feeding them raw bones.

By the way, neither of them gave up raw feeding.  They just did not feed raw bones - they bought grinders and ground the bones along with the meat.

I am sure there are more complications with artifical chews, rawhide and the like - more people give those products to their dogs than feed raw or give their dog raw bones.  I would not be so quick to call people idiots for giving their dogs cooked bones either.  Most people assume that if a product is sold for dogs that it is safe for dogs - the aisles of my local Pets at Home are filled with cooked, sterlized bones. Naive or not well informed maybe, but not idiots.

>the aisles of my local Pets at Home are filled with cooked, sterlized bones.<

The pet shop bones didnt even cross my mind to be honest. I was thinking more of the people who have roast chicken or whatever and then give their dogs the bones from them :(

I have to always be on the look out when i take my dogs for walks because people who have picnics often throw their chicken bones on the grass for the animals/birds to pick at I heard of this woman whos dog found and ate a cooked chicken bone,he ended up dying from a pierced bowel,i think it was :( This woman had fed raw bones for years and never had a problem. My old vet used to give me the spiel about how dangerous bones were for dogs,but when i quizzed him on it he admitted that the majority of problems were from cooked/smoked bones or from owners who really had no idea what they doing and gave completely innapropriate bones for their particular dogs chewing >style<..

Both my parents are holistic/homeopathic vets,neither of them have ever seen any problems with raw bones.Maybe because their clients are in the know when it comes to feeding,so these problems are less likely to occur?? Some dogs are just not natural bone chewers,some attempt to swallow them whole,as ironic as it sounds alot of dogs need to be trained how to eat bones,which is sad considering bones/raw meat are a dogs natural diet!

Hi Sarah,

Your parents are fortunate never have seen problems with eating bones. For my two friends, the death of the one dog was because of an intestinal impaction caused by raw bones.   Impactions may be rare, but they do happen.  In fact, not too long ago someone that feeds raw bones here had it happen to one of their dogs.   Perhaps sometimes a dog's digestive system stops performing the way it should because of ill health or other reasons and problems result.  Or perhaps someone simply does not understand how to balance a dog's diet properly and overloads it with bones. 

I absolutely shudder when I take my dogs for a walk on rubbish day.  My one dog - who will not crunch on anything I give her - is always the one to find the cooked pork chop bone in the grass and crunch it into sharp little shards.  Cooked bones are lethal weapons, IMO

Stacey

>also give my dogs things like rawhide - which I personally have had to pull out of my dog's mouths in the past to prevent chocking<

With all due respect, choking would cause me more concern than the squits from salmonella!!!
The principles of first aid being: Airway
                                            Breathing
                                            Circulation.
On that basis I'd be much more worried about giving the Raw hide

Whooops!
sorry!! :rolleyes:
That'll teach me to read a whole thread before chipping in!!!

LOL Huskgal :D

But i think the general gist of yor post was correct,re: squits V choking.

lol...its late..think Ive turned into a pumpkin!
responses are slow now :rolleyes:

Well, it is to me too, but my typing fingers flew too fast and I missed typing in I DO NOT give my dogs rawhide because of choking.   :-)   

Of course there are potential health risks in feeding raw, just as there are in feeding commercial food dogs die from choking on kibble too, plus balls, sticks, etc etc etc.

You can contract salmonella etc from ANY food and lots of sources including puddles, poop, tortoises and snakes etc.

As with everything you make a risk assessment and figure out what the probability is, the likelihood of the event and its severity to come to your own conclusions.

Just living is risky.........