Speaking as someone with a young entire dog whose testosterone levels are rising fast, I don't actually appreciate meeting in season bitches running around happily off lead. Something that's happened twice in the last week and I'm extremely surprised that their owners were so unbothered about the risks. For sure, I'll certainly control my dog and put him back on the lead in these circumstances but I don't expect to be blamed for someone else's reckless disregard for their bitch! Is this a reasonable attitude or yet more evidence of me turning into Victoria Meldrew?

A very reasonable attitude, my bitch is in season at the moment but i'm only walking her where there are no off lead dogs as I don't feel it is fair to do otherwise.

Hello sister! :D

I do not think you are being unreasonable.  Having had both entire males and entire bitches I have always been extremely vigilant when the latter were in season and felt that is entirely MY responsibility to ensure that they were kept away from unecessary risks.

When owning the former I found it rather tedious if ripe bitches were literally in his face........

No, your attitude seems reasonable. I never let my in season bitches run loose where we were likely to meet other dogs. We went to out-of-the-way places at odd times. It's only fair.

Thanks for your comments! I'm beginning to feel almost human...;)

The odd thing was that both the bitches we met were lovely, purebred girls who you can't imagine you'd want accidentally gerting pregnant - let alone by a JRT! The owner of the second bitch asked me very politely if I'd considered getting my dog castrated to which the answer was yes, but since he's only just coming up to 7 months, I've no plans to set any date of destiny with the vet for a good while yet!

"The owner of the second bitch asked me very politely if I'd considered getting my dog castrated "

People do make me laugh.......:rolleyes:

Human nature decrees that most will blame something or someone else for their own shortcomings (in whatever sphere) and try to transfer the responsibility they should extend to their own dogs from themselves to someone else :rolleyes:

Of course it is logical that all entire males should be castrated in order that she may walk her entire bitch in season............

No, I totally agree with you, I have had a few Bitches off lead and in season in the park I use recently and it is very anoying as I walk on entire dog whos goes crazy ( he's only a little westie but is always walked on lead).

I now have a bitch who is just a puppy now but later on in the year she will come into season and when she does luckly for me there is a private paddock I can walk her in. I would never walk a Bitch in season off lead and in a major dog walking area. I would find it so stressful trying to fight off all the male attention.

It does amaze me how many people in my park do it though. What can you do

:)

My bitch came off season nearly 2 weeks ago but some dogs (not all) still seem to sniff her very interestedly, despite having washed her back end.  For nearly four weeks we just walked her onlead around the roads twice a day and it took a bit of courage to return to taking her off lead to open areas. 

I agree, it is foolhardy and selfish to take bitches to where there are bound to be other dogs loose.  I feel the same about people who have dogs that don't like other dogs bounding over to them in a public area.  To me, if your dog is suspect it isn't wise or fair to take it to popular public places.  My dogs are very friendly and very young.  They are learning and becoming more obedient but I cannot guarantee they won't try to play with strange dogs.  Most people are fine but you get the odd one that growls (the owner) as though other dogs had no right to be there as theirs cannot tolerate unwanted attention.  My feeling is that if theirs has a go at mine, mine will learn not to go bowling over to strange dogs eventually, but if I don't want other dogs interfering with mine I will not go where it will be impossible to avoid it!  So my in season bitch never goes there.

"My feeling is that if theirs has a go at mine, mine will learn not to go bowling over to strange dogs eventually,  "

Unfortunately those of us that have/had anti social dogs that have become that way precisely BECAUSE owners cannot/ will not stop their dogs from approaching dogs that ARE under control do not want our dogs practising and refining their anti social skills.......... :rolleyes:

There is a world of difference in taking a bitch in season out for a walk in a public area and having a dog under full control, being harassed by out of control dogs.

Again, it is the responsibility of the dog owners to control their dog and prevent them from being rude, those of us who have/had anti social dogs have no reason to remove ourselves from public rights of way UNLESS THEY are out of control.........  It is not the responsibility of dog owners to control OTHER people's dogs!

And even those of us with dogs that have full social skills often do not want to be interfered with by other dogs and prefer to have their attention, we may be training etc etc etc. 

Tohme,

Sorry, disagree.  A young dog will go up to others no matter how you try to control them.  It is my responsibility but I can't guarantee that my dog won't want to nose yours.  No dog is born obedient.  If your dog is antisocial it is your decision to take it where you know that other dogs are and so must suffer the consequences.  Dogs are by nature gregarious so will be drawn to others. My dogs are well socialized and so will never become antisocial precisely because they have been given the freedom to fraternize and learn from their own kind.  There is no such thing as a bad dog.  I hope you don't have antisocial kids also!

Dear Katy,

I have to agree with Tohme. The Dangerous Dogs Act states that all dogs must be under control in public places and that the person only needs to think that the dog will harm them for the dog to be in the wrong. So a playful young labrador running up to somebody, jumping up or play barking will qualify for this if the owner is not able to recall their dog back.

I am afraid that if you cannot recall your dog away, then it must be kept on a long line, until you have done enough training on recall.

My rule of thumb is that my dog always goes back on lead if there is a dog on lead. If the other dogs are off lead, then that tells me that the dog is sociable and my dogs will also go off lead and allowed to play and interact - after I have given them permission ofcourse - I do not allow my dogs to run up to anybody or any other dogs without my permission. If all dog owners would take the time to train this simple exercise, then many people and other dogs (many which are fearful of other uncontrollable dogs running up to them) would be much happier and we would live in more harmony.

Don't blame other people for your own lack of control of your dog. Sorry to sound harsh, but I deal with many fearful dogs whose condition are made worse by uncontrollable dogs. It is very sad to see and very disheartening for the owners who are working hard at trying to rehabilitate their dog.

Cheers,
Patty

katyliz said"A young dog will go up to others no matter how you try to control them"

Sorry katyliz, have to disagree, my dogs do not go up to others without my say so, if they do that is failure of control on the owner's part.

No dog is born obedient

Absolutely correct, it is our job to train them to be so.

"If your dog is antisocial it is your decision to take it where you know that other dogs are and so must suffer the consequences"

Likewise, if your dog is out of control and you allow it to approach other dogs, it and you must suffer the consequences!  Which may include being bitten! You will, no doubt, be equanimical in your attitude to the other dog and owner and accept that this is a result of your poor training.

I am afraid that even well socialised dogs DO become antisocial precisely because of the actions of dogs that belong to owners like you!

"There is no such thing as a bad dog."

Really?   Using that logic there is no such thing as a bad person either!  I am afraid you are wrong there............

Remember a lot of people have rescue dogs that they rehabilitating to become social or have ones that will NEVER become social, please extend to others the courtesy you no doubt expect not only for yourself but for your dogs and realise that many of us inherit, rehome dogs that are far from perfect, just like ourselves.......

They don't always learn, katyliz - both of my dogs would run up to any strange dog if I allowed them to, but they would not learn not to do it again if the stranger had a go at them.  I know this from experience, in our pre-good recall days!  Both of them have, at some point, run up to greet another dog, and had it have a go; if I give no command to stop them, my rott X now would run up, have the mean dog have a go and run back to me, then try to run back to it again.  My dobe would run up, have the mean dog have a go, and run straight back to it to play!

Bear in mind also that dogs will try and appease each other with calming signals to stop aggressive behaviour; with this in mind, it's actually likely that a dog would run back to the aggressor to appease it in some way.  Opi did this once to a weim friend of ours (now rehomed as her dog communication problems eventually turned into aggression) - Tilly had a good go at her, and Opi was straight back, licking her face and slinking about to appease her.

You do have to draw a line between socialisation and rudeness as well - I like my dogs to meet others, yes, but not if it might get them into trouble.  I always ask first, my dogs don't get to play with others that often now granted, but they have not become antisocial as a result.  This is in part helped by meeting particular dogs regularly - two cockers and a terrier, spinone or lab (depending on who's out walking at the time) a couple of mornings a week, and a large male dobermann every couple of months.  We also bump into doggy friends out and about that we know are safe - a couple of labs, a beardie, a BC - and they are allowed to lpay.  But dogs we do not know well are off-limits, unless the owner is fine with them playing.  It's common courtesy - just because your dogs want nose others, doesn't mean they should - allowing a young dog to get away with running up to greet whatever dog it wants is asking for difficulty training it not to in the future.

Katyliz.
Are you being serious? If you are I am stunned. You have two dogs which you seem to show no responsiblity for at all. It's everybody else's fault and their dogs that are a problem in your eyes.
You seem to think you have the god given right to let your dogs off anywhere and let them do whatever they want to do and annoy whoever.
I read in interest at your other post, that you let your two dogs chase your two cats which you think is perfectly acceptable. How happy your pets must be. Have you thought about going to training, or perhaps actually getting a book on how to be a responsible dog owner or maybe it would take one of your dogs running off and getting killed before you open your eyes and look at the real world.

Well, given its your responsibility, lets just say your off lead dog approaches mine. He is on a lead and under control, however when yours enters his personal space, he objects and your dog retaliates and my dog bites him drawing blood and causing your dog to require stitches.

Your responsibility that, not mine. So you of course will not be harrassing me, given my dog was under control and not bothering anyone, for the vets bill will you?

I have a ten month old dog, he is young and he is foolish, however he has a solid recall and he does not and will not go up to other dogs uninvited. You CAN do it, if you make an effort adn train your dogs.

One of my dogs is antisocial purely because of the attitude you have.
Those were off elad dogs who hurtled up to him, when he was under control and on lead, and savaged him for no reason other than that he existed. He learned as yours will if the same happens to them!

Em

>those of us who have/had anti social dogs have no reason to remove ourselves from public rights of way UNLESS THEY are out of control..

I'm afraid I agree that dogs are animals and will behave as such. If I don't want my dog to meet others I'll go where it's least likely we'll meet them. If I go to a popular dog-walking place at a popular time I'm saying "It's okay, we're friendly". My choice - not other people's.

After all, if I went walking through a known red-light area after dark I wouldn't be surprised if I was approached! ;)

Animals WILL behave as such if we do not prevent them, using this logic we could all shrug our shoulders and say "dogs will be dogs" if they are allowed to mug others, try to mount them, bodyslam them etc etc etc just as we could say "children will be children" when they bully etc etc.......

It is not that some of us do not WANT our dogs to meet others, but we want them to learn that they can only meet others on our terms and with our permission.

Most of us exert some discretion with regard to whom we allow our children to associate with etc and a lot of us do the same with our dogs for various reasons, some of us have very boisterous dogs who need controlled access to those quieter more reserved breeds.

All of these factors and many more require us to behave to others as we would want them to behave towards us, therefore if I see a dog on the lead I will interpret that as meaning that the owner wishes to be left alone, for whatever reason, it may be post operative, anti social, nervous etc etc, it really is not my business, I just slip mine on one.

It is just good manners.

No, we don't allow our children to bully others, but neither do we insist that, when they enter a playground, they formally shake hands with the others and explain what their parents do for a living. We let them get on with it. Nine times out of ten they'll be perfectly happy; sometimes someone will get bumped into, fall over and graze their knee, or get pushed a bit hard. So what? It's life - for living. :)

Exactly Tohme, my neighbour's young dog liked to run up to strange dogs and she didn't think it was a problem either......until it ran up to one who mauled and killed it. 

The case went to court, and the owner got a control order.  Needless to say, my neighbour was extremely upset, distressed and angry as she wanted a destruction order but there was nothing she could do about it.

The rule of the thumb is keep your dog under control at all times whilst in a public place.

So how would you feel if you walked your dog on the lead in a park. A dog comes bounding over, scaring yours, slips the lead, the other dog gives chase and chases your dog straight into the path of a car killing them. Would you think, oh well it was my fault not the dog that was loose?
This is not made up it happened to my friend. Was she in the wrong by walking her dog in the only open space in her area and having her dog under control?

If it was a park where dogs had to be on-lead then no, it wouldn't be my fault, but it was a park where dogs were allowed offlead then I would expect offlead dogs to be there. It would also partly be my fault if my dog's collar was badly-fitted so that slipping it was possible.

Well let's hope you never have it happen then eh?
It wasn't the collar that slipped by the way. The dog came at my friend knocking her to the ground then went for her dog and my friend accidently let go. But then I suppose it was her fault for letting go then in your eyes?
Tell me if a dog goes for a child in a park friendly or not. Is it the parents fault for taking that child to the park in the first place. I suppose so in your view.
There was I thinking that a park is a place for EVERYONE to enjoy with respect to others. I've never seen any signs up saying Off lead dogs have the right over everyone else. Only signs to pick up dog mess but then I suppose you don't do that either cos it's someone elses fault if they step in it right or a child gets ill from it?

My mistake - I interpreted your statement that the dog slipped its lead as meaning slipped its collar. I apologise.

I don't know where your antagonism comes from, but no, I don't think offlead dogs "have the right" over everyone else. But then, neither do I think on-lead dogs do either. A park is indeed a place for everyone to enjoy - according to the rules of the park. Some allow offlead dogs, others don't. If you don't want to meet offlead dogs, you don't go to those parks.

And I do pick up my own dogs' mess - but if I step in that left by others then it's my fault for not looking where I was going! ;) I was taught at a very young age to wipe my feet before going into a house. ;)

Jeangenie
You say your not saying off lead dogs have the rights in parks yet your previous posts say exactly this. You repeatedly say that if you want to walk your dog on a lead and don't want dogs off lead coming near you, then don't go to that park. You seem to think that it is acceptable for dogs to run over to others and interfere with someone else who is walking their dog on a lead when you don't seem to respect the fact that some people just want to walk their dog in peace. Your attitude seems to be that if people don't want their dog to be interefered with and possible cause a situation they don't have the right to walk in a park where other dogs are off lead. This may be the only place around them to walk their dog. I'm afraid the law and most parks disagree with you. Most places request your dog is on a lead or under control.
If you have your dogs off a lead, then presumably you then have control to call them back and control them. It is the arrogance of the owner if they let their dogs be out of control by rushing up to other dogs minding their own business IS! In terms of my friends dog, at least the owner of the other dog had the decency to accept this was his fault having little control over his dog and now doesn't walk in that park, little comfort when your scraping your dog off the road.
I'm sorry if you don't agree with that and you are entitled to your view. Thankfully where I run my dogs, no-one seems to take that view and going on posts above so do the majority.

>You say your not saying off lead dogs have the rights in parks yet your previous posts say exactly this.

No, that's the opposite of what I'm saying! :D On-lead dogs and off-lead dogs (or rather, their owners) have the same rights. Neither takes precedence, as long as the rules of that area aren't being broken. If it's an area where dogs are allowed offlead, then that's where you expect to find them. If you think that will bother you or your dog, it's not compulsory to go there - go somewhere that dogs aren't allowed offlead. Then you are fully justified in complaining if you come across an offlead dog.

Otherwise it's like complaining about the risk from traffic if you walk in the road rather than on the pavement.

Jeangenie
QUOTE "If you don't want to meet offlead dogs, you don't go to those parks" therefore implying that the off lead dogs have the right over someone wanting to take their dog out on a lead quietly. I could twist it the other way and say that if you want to let your dog off, out of control then you don't go where you know dogs will be on a lead. But that would be plain stupid, wouldn't it :rolleyes:
I think dogs on a lead do give a message, not that they are nasty but as Patty has said, the dog might be injured, nervous, recovering from an op or old and not up to a dog pouncing all over it.
Your words. I have not said anything against  dogs being offlead at any time. I have said that it is unnacceptable to let your dog bound up to another dog who is walking along on lead or off with their owner. Lack of control and respect. Don't get me wrong, I run my dogs off lead but if I see other dogs I call them back to me until the other owner has said it's ok to play. If I see a dog on a lead which I have to go near, again mine are back at heal or on their leads as I don't know why that dog is on a lead, so out of mutual respect I will have my dogs under control, one way or another.
Please don't backtrack. Your posts are there for everyone to see as are mine.

It sounds as though you behave with your dogs in the same way as I do mine, when we're in a public place, but you still misunderstand my point. I must be wording it very badly. I'll try again.

In a park where dogs are permitted to be offlead, then it's only rational to expect offlead dogs to be there. It's unlikely to be compulsory for dogs to be offlead or onlead - that's the choice of the owner. Each owner has the same rights as to whether they have their dog onlead or offlead; neither takes precedence. The owners of offlead dogs have the same right to complain about people who walk their dogs onlead, and vice versa. It's called equality, and shows respect for the rights of others to use the park within the regulations.

If I want to mooch quietly around the shops I'm not going to go on market day - I'll go when I know the town will be quieter. If I have an in-season bitch (the point of this thread) I'll walk her where I'm not likely to meet other dogs. If my dog is unwell or anti-social I'll do the same, because I'm not arrogant enough to think that I have greater rights.

This isn't backtracking - this is acknowledging that no person has greater rights than another, as long as they abide by the regulations.

Sometimes there is only one place to go to walk the dogs, unless of course you travel by car first and then you have to try and find somhere not too far away. I never walk mine off lead, I don't mind those that do, but all I ask is that they don't allow their dogs to come up to mine unless invited to do so whether I'm in an off lead area or not. Little dogs are the worst as they come barking up to my dogs, on lead, and the owner is then scared mine will hurt them but its not my fault surely? I think both off and on lead walkers should show each other the same consideration and not allow their dogs to invade anothers space.

I would never dream of walking my dogs in the aprk onlead, as it would be most frustrating as that is where they expect to be able to go off lead and play and let off steam.  they do plenty enough lead walking as it is.  If I don't want them to go off lead for any reason I sdon't walk in the aprk where lots of dogs will be off lead and are likely to want to say hello to mine as mien will to them.

I like my dogs to be on the lead when they get out of the car so that they do not leap out totally out of control and at risk from other dogs and vehicles.  I also like them to be on the lead for the first couple of hundred yards or so at both ends of the walk in order for them to warm up sufficiently so they do not pull a muscle etc when they tear around and warm down sufficiently before they are put back in the car...... and in order that they are not at risk from other dogs who ARE allowed to leap out and run amok highly aroused and out of control...... ;)

I don't drive so this isn't an issue for me as the dogs have at least 20 minutes to and from the park to warm up in :D  Also not over excited by then.

Took quite a bit of doing trying to get them to do just such an uncontrolled exit from a car for the BBC when they were filming a dog program wanting examples of dogs playing :D

Even though I don't drive I do occasionally go in freinds vehickles where wait is taught and enforced.

I do see what your saying Brainless and my dogs would go mental if we went to certain places as they know the routine of what happens there but they also know how to behave on a lead and are let off when I say so, but then also people have their dogs on the leads for various reasons as mentioned above including they have a breed that isn't let off a lead or they have a young dog who isn't yet ready to be let off. One of mine was injured so he was on lead walks for two weeks as advised by the vet. So there are circumstances. I think we're just saying respect peoples space and their dogs and all act in a controlled manner with respect to other walkers etc. If you don't have control of your dog regards recall etc. then it shouldn't be off the lead in a public place for their sakes and yours

Ditto :D
That was nicely put Megan, makes perfect sense to me.

Mine often go back on their leads as part of theri training, but I wouldn't call them back everytime I saw another dog, as they would not be off the lead at all.  I do of course live in a busy city, so the parks are fairly busy with dog walkers, maybe that is why there is rarely a problem even when a dozen or so all meet up during a walk.

>everytime I saw another dog<

I think the point was only being made about approaching dogs on lead and not all dogs... that would be tiresome! :)

With my eeyesight I wouldn't see that they were on lead until I was level with them :D

I did not know you had black labradors Brainless.......... tee hee :D :D

I keep saying I will have the first Elkhound Guide dogs, but God knows where they would lead me, very astray I suspect

its not frustrating if they've never been off lead before, what they've never had they won't miss. I can assure you they are happy enough to sniff and gallop around on a long line just as much. This way if another dog, off or on lead, approaches I can 'reel' them in ;) by doing this I am insuring that my dogs don't harm theirs with 'heavy' play or that neither dogs get into a scrap. I admit to letting missie off lead - she's the bcx - as her recall is excellent and she has never yet gone near another dog whether on or off the lead. But the leos are on a lead or long line all the time, park or otherwise :)

As my previous posts have said Jeangenie. I have not said anywhere said that I have a problem with dogs being offlead anywhere. From what you have said including the quote below, I assure you I do not take this view therefore we are not alike in the way we walk our dogs. If I don't want my dogs to go near another dog then then they are trained not to. I have mine offlead most of the time. What I have said is if your dog is offlead then you should have it under control at all times, forgetting what any park rule is, That's the law. That means no you don't allow it to run up and interefere with other dogs that are minding their own business unless the other person has indicated that this is fine.
Your first reply on here says
I'm afraid I agree that dogs are animals and will behave as such. If I don't want my dog to meet others I'll go where it's least likely we'll meet them. Every person has the right to take their dog out in public and be left alone and not interfered with.
We are talking about dogs offlead, out of control hassling other dogs here, not children at school, walking on a pavement or going to market. You seem to put every comparison under the sun on your posts which have no bearing on what we were talking about.
Your first post on here agree'd with katy that dogs will be dogs and they can do what they want when they're off lead.
Doesn't matter if a dog is ON lead or OFF lead. It should be under control and not interefere with anyone elses use of whereever you walk. How is a dog onlead though going to interfere with a dog who bounds up to it and gets in it's face? :rolleyes: If the dog on the lead responds back it is simply saying "Get out of space"

>Your first post on here agree'd with katy that dogs will be dogs and they can do what they want when they're off lead.

Ah, I see where you're misunderstanding me! :) You seem to be confusing the meaning of 'can' with that of 'may'. Off-lead dogs can ('can' meaning 'are capable of') do anything, so that when one goes where they're likely to be, one should be prepared for anything. However, I've never said that they may ('may' meaning 'are allowed to') do what they want. They should, of course, be well-trained, but that isn't the law, so I think it's probably safer to assume strange dogs aren't rather than that they are. With that assumption, my statement that "If I don't want my dog to meet others I'll go where it's least likely we'll meet them" is 100% sensible and valid.

I expect animals to behave like animals. In fact, with the proposed new law all pet animals will have the 'right' to perform their natural species behaviours - and for dogs that includes bum-sniffing when they meet-and-greet.

JG please tell me that the proposed new laws do not apply to people........................

The mind boggles if they will be allowed to perform their natural species behaviours, I may become a hermit!

If the centre oif Bristol on a Friday or Saturday night are anything to go by then I think they probably already do

Thanks Tohme.
For ruining my afternoon tea. I was just tucking into a chocolate bourbon and you've ruined the moment ;)

Jeangenie
I am fully understanding you. My view to sum up is this. If I take my dog out for a walk and they are on or off lead near me minding their own business, I don't expect to have out of control dogs hounding my dogs. I would not do it to others so I don't expect it back.
As I said before if your dogs off a lead then it should be under control ie, good recall. Most of the time when you get dogs running up in your face it's because the owner has no control over that dog.

we all share our villages, towns and cities with thousands of other people. Our only 'personal space' is within our own property - outside that, it's shared. If I want a pleasant, stress-free drive I don't go across town at rush-hour. Likewise, if I want a quiet walk with my dogs I don't go to busy places. If I go to busy places I expect that it'll be hectic; it's entirely under my control.

When I lived in Westminster there were several parks nearby. In St James's Park, dogs had to be kept on lead. Across the road in Green Park, dogs could be allowed off. So, if you wanted to avoid off-lead dogs, you stayed in St James's. If you went into Green Park you accepted that there were going to be dogs running around. It was very simple. :)

You've really got to ditch the mini skirts JG ;)
Surely everyone has the intellegent capacity to react to Visual Ques (or even clues) though?
Im pretty sure dressed as I am now in verrry Muddy Hunter wellies,hairy muddy blue cord jhodpurs and a very smelly equally muddy wax jacket (hardly attractive in any shape or form) I would not get approached in a red light district :D

edited to say: dropped in wrong place, in reply to red light district analogy :)

>Im pretty sure dressed as I am now in verrry Muddy Hunter wellies,hairy muddy blue cord jhodpurs and a very smelly equally muddy wax jacket (hardly attractive in any shape or form) I would not get approached in a red light district

Don't be so sure...there are some who would pay extra for that type of attire :D

Have you washed your bitch's bedding as well? If not, she'll be covering herself with 'perfume' whenever she lies down. I always used to give my bitches a complete bath and change all the bedding when their season was over to remove all traces of scent.

My dogs are in no way suspect, however my bitch will not tolerate another dog bounding over and getting in her face. She is good and gives a snarl or a growl. She has never gone for another dog. Do I trust that she never will? No, put any dog in a certain situation and put them in a cornered position and you cannot with all certainty say how they are going to react.
If I'm walking off the lead I always look ahead and if I see anyone with a dog or not I call mine back and they go back on their leads. I know my dogs are fine and yes the other dogs might be fine too but I don't know that. I also appreciate that some people do have a fear of dogs therefore I am respectable to those I share the park etc. with. Once approached and we both agree to let our dogs play then fine they can then let off again
I'm sorry but you seem to lack acceptance for your dogs when out walking. You do not have the right to let your dogs bound over to any dog you meet and make it the other dogs responsibility to teach yours what is right and what is wrong as you are lacking.
You are also setting your dogs up for an unpleasant experience which could carry on through throughout their life