iv bin offered a bullmastiff crossd with rottweiler for 300 is it worth it??

I'd say No! A more sensible price for a crossbred puppy is up to £150.

i wouldnt pay that for a xb,is it a pup or a older dog?

£300 is far to much for a xbreed of this kind For just a little bit more any breeder of both breeds would sell you a helthy pup where you would know the temperment and background of the litter

How you need to look at it is how much would it cost the breeder to rear that litter.

Bear in mind they won't have paid a stud fee, about £500 in my breed, won't have Hip scored the parents, another £170 for my last one, then eye tested about £30, then there is the registration fees of £12 per pup, and the annual affix mainteneance of £20.

This means that this breeder will have saved themselves at least £800 if not more on the cost of rearing a litter that a reputable breeder of one of the parent breeds would have had, not to mention the costs of showing/working the dogs to prove their worthiness to be bred from.

Chances are though that this breeder will have cut corners on worming, feeding etc too.

At any rate what I am saying is that a crossbred puppy should not go for any more than the cost of their rearing, which will be food, wormer and vet.  It isn't as if the breeder is reinvesting the proceeds into the breed or their line.

Brainless how do you KNOW that they not have hip scored the parents?  How do you know that they will not have paid a stud fee?  How do you know that they have not registered the pups with the KC?

Whilst it is true that not all breeders of x breeds are necessarily reputable, that argument also holds true for those the breed pedigree puppies doesn't it?

We have seen on this board how making assumptions about breeders and KC registered litters have resulted in problems, perhaps we should be advising people not to make assumptions and sweeping, unfounded generalisations on all breeders of x breeds.

As for the OP question on whether this pup may be worth £300, anything is only worth what people are prepared to pay for it; I know of a number of pedigree dogs that I would not have for free................ :rolleyes:

>How do you know that they have not registered the pups with the KC?

Obviously the pups won't be on the KC breed registry - they're not pedigrees. Using the activity registry to claim 'KC registration' as a means of increasing the price is on a par with using 'the other' registry, IMO.

Whatever your personal views on the value of the Activity Register, the fact is that so doing WILL incur costs; apart from the fact that again we should not ASSUME that those breeders who do so are motivated by greed.  Many will do so because they know that buyers will not be able to compete in KC licensed activities unless their dogs are KC registered............... thereby showing forethought.

I find this thread (and others like them) an interesting example of the personal construct theory ;)

>the fact is that so doing WILL incur costs

How much? The £150 that is the difference between regular crossbreed price (check your local rescue centres) and the price asked here?

I never implied that the Activity Register was of little value - you inferred that.

Sorry JG I appear not to have made myself very clear,

the fact that so doing will incur costs = registering with the KC on the activity register will incur costs the same as it does on the breed register.

I am unaware that there is a "regular crossbreed price", however I am not familiar with rescue centres, many cross breeds are deliberately bred and go for much more rather than being mistakes and/or discards.

If the breeder is reputable and has carried out the necessary health checks there will be those costs that will be incurred as well as stud fees, just the same as with pedigree breeders (or, like pedigree breeders they may take a pup in lieu).

And many reputable breeders of cross breeds have their own kennel names (affixes are being replaced with "kennel name" now).

So I cannot see any savings that would NECESSARILY be made by breeding cross breeds rather than pedigrees; any "savings" that are made can be made equally by pedigree breeders.

I have not inferred anything from your post as far as I can see JG ;)  It was you that stated "Using the activity registry to claim 'KC registration' as a means of increasing the price is on a par with using 'the other' registry, IMO"

>I am unaware that there is a "regular crossbreed price", however I am not familiar with rescue centres, many >cross breeds are deliberately bred and go for much more rather than being mistakes and/or discards.

Every rescue centre I have been to have charged quite a bit more for a pedigree dog than for a crossbreed/mongrel.

But why has this cross been done ? What is the aim of the breeder ? Crossing two breeds with similar problems like HD is hardly trying to breed healthier dogs

These will be quite big powerful dogs not for the first time owner I think

>"Using the activity registry to claim 'KC registration' as a means of increasing the price is on a par with using 'the other' registry, IMO"

The highlighted portion is a vital part of that sentence.

out of interest on BC on the breed reg is about £500 on the activities about £250

Well as unregistered pedigr4ee pups are cheaper than registered ones part of the idfference will be to do with costs (or their lack) incurred.

As for the KC activities register I son't think it was ever envisoned as a means of registering litters of pups, but was designed for individual dogs whose ancestry was unknown to be able to compete in KC events, this woudl normally be done by the owner and not the breeder.

there are lots & lots of EXELLENT lines of dogs PURELY on the activity reg. really please dont slagging that off or the people that use it.As all it shows is total lack of knowledge & understanding.
these are lines as long as your arm,with health tested dogs & dogs that can WORK. No they arent show dogs,but this not make it a second class register.
im really insulted by what you are saying tbh

I wasn't "slagging"off the KCOR dogs I queried this breeding

Lots of WSD's are BC's with an ISDS registered bitch owned by a non ISDS member in their pedigree which means the puppies couldn't be ISDS reg. Nothing wrong with dogs being bred with the aim of producing good working dogs(Margaret B's Colrievers(sp)spring to mind). & of course the GSD/WSD breeding that produced Jenny's Kash  wasn't planned , but has produced a stunning young dog because both parents are bred to work(I'm definitely his No 1 fan BTW)

However crossing two breeds with the same known genetic problems that are in their own right powerful dogs is a recipe for disaster in novice hands

I know someone who registered his GSD puppies on the KCOR so he could sell them as KC reg even though they had no known pedigree & they are bred simply for the money BTW

i wasnt repling to you :)

the thread seems to have moved on from the oringinal XB anyway.

of course there will be people that expoilt any system,but thats not to say that there is a load of rubbish on it or a load of Xbs.(i know you werent saying this BTW)

look at all the top obedience lines that are only on the activity reg,forevermagic,rockin,malaridge,ruskath,borderlair,bheinn,topori,jarros,choyseten,whatknow,jarysmystic,busybug,tarjan,dusters,kathinna,aramisty,fenom,piprian, could go on & on & on.
these lines are not second class to the breed register IMO

>the thread seems to have moved on from the oringinal XB anyway.

Yes. I would have thought a Rottie x Bullmastiff would be rather unlikely to have been activites reg'd for either obedience or agility or flyball, possibly working trials I guess although my guess would be THIS particular cross wasn't done to get a working dog other than a guard dog, so wouldn't BE activies reg'd. Different ballgame altogether to say the Coltrievers.

Yes but they will not be being offered to pet owners by and large and people wanting one of these specialised pups will know exaclty what they are getting with no room for confusion as they understand what the Activities register is about.

These types of crosses, especially if deliberate (Rottie x Bullmastiff) are generally only bred for the 'lets have a hard looking dog' brigade, I doubt the litter is an accident, and if it is then not getting much for them should ensure the breeder is more careful.

Seen a fair few Rottie x GSD's and the4y ahve either been aobut £100 as pups or been bought from rescue for a donation of about that.

Again though I doubt it contains litters of guarding breed crosses. 

The lines will either be unregistered collie lines that back in the day didn't get put on the breed register, and a few lines of specific crosses like the collie retrievers etc, bred for a purpose not for sale to the general public which is what seems to be the case with the OP case.

I still stand by my reasoning that the Activities register was never intended for registering litters, even though that is what is happening.

This is causing confusion to the general public as we have had posters on here who have bought pups from Activities registered litters only to realise this does not mean they are breed registered.

We have ended up with a confusing two tier registration system, fine if the whole litter is likely to go to working homes, but confusing if they are being offered to pet buyers, which is where Jean genies comments come in.  Of course there are pups registered on the breed register that are little more than mongrels, neither registration confirms quality, or health status of parents.

has there been posters on here that have activity reg dogs that think they are breed registered? i can rember lots with the DL but not on the activity reg. your implication to me is that the activity reg is no better than the DL,

>has there been posters on here that have activity reg dogs that think they are breed registered?

Yes there has -people that thought they bought a breed reg'd dog when in fact they'd bought an activities reg'd one, all they were told was "KC registered" and that IS misleading....... I seem to remember somebody with a GSD?

i cant remeber that!:)
the thing i dont like about the working reg,is that BCs are reg as WSDs so we all know the difference,yet if it looks like a GSD it goes down as a GSD,if it looks like a lab it goes down as a lab etc etc, i think they should go down ax a WGSD Wlab etc etc

Yes there was a post earlier this year something like 'have I been conned' and for some reason the person emailed me to.

I explained all about the Activities register and that I was pretty sure there was just a misunderstanding.

These were GSD pups I think???  Or maybe collies, the kind of breed I would expect on the Activities register legitimately.

Thinking about it, itmust ahve been GSD's as otherwise as Michelled pointed out there wouldn't ahve been confusion with border collie pups, always being registered as WSD.

i do think all breeds on there should have working put before their breed name,that would easily stop the confusion.

No, the comment was that registering crossbred litters on the Activity Register purely to be able to advertise them as KC Registered is equivalent to using DL, and devalues the Activity Register.

but they are Xs????????? no one is going to think they can show Xs surely? & lets remeber by using the activeity reg it enables the breeders to use all the BVA/KC health schemes!which is WHAT we are always banging on about for XS.
i dont think the OPs x is reg on the activity reg howver,but we cant assume that (which is what i think tohme was implying)
i think im going to lie down for abit! :)

>but they are Xs????????? no one is going to think they can show Xs surely?

But loads of people think as long as a cross has a name it can be shown........ such as the "doodles". It's getting everywhere. My mum in Sweden informed me of her friend who hed just got a new pedigree pup. "Some new type of Papillon with curly coat, it was called a Bichon Papillon". :rolleyes:

look at that article in dog world on friday about the pooh bins & assistance dog,if the DOG PRESS call a XB a labardoodle as oppsed to a XB then its no wonder that people think they are a breed. so does the breed listing in the back of some monthlies that have listings for breed advice & breeders of labardoodles & cockerpoos..If i didnt know & looked in there id think they were a breed too!!!!!!

>but they are Xs?????????

Yes - the topic title refers to a bullmastiff/rottweiler cross.

There can be no reason I can think of for work or anything else why this cross woudl be doen deliberately ans reputably.

is it a puppy?the op hasent mentioned a puppy?i think it could be a adult that the owners cant handle?

Then I wouldn't expect to pay anything for it unless the owners were getting it neutered and were asking for the price of that.

Excuse me for being terribly thick but what IS the activities register?

Taken from the KC website:

"Activity Register (Working Trials and Obedience Register)

Any dog of any ancestry may be registered in the Activity Register (Working Trials and Obedience Register WTO). Any dog on this register may then compete in obedience, working trials, agility and flyball competitions licensed by the Kennel Club. It is not eligible to compete in field trials or gundog working tests."

Thanks, jeangenie. Second thick question of the day is to presume that my non-KC registered JRT could be registered. He's too young for mini-agility yet but it's something I've been considering for next year.

Yes, as I understand it he'll need to be on that register for agility. You can download the form from here.

Thanks very much.

Hope he does well - I love seeing the little dogs haring around the course! They look as though they're having such fun! :)

& roz you get to choose his name!!!!!

Wahey! :)

Lord Nip of Niptonshire?