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Topic Dog Boards / Health / Mystery virus
- By westie lover [gb] Date 18.04.02 07:58 UTC
After following poor ww's postings and I resonded wondering if it was this new mystery virus, I thought I would post this for those that have not read about it.
It seems to have been first noticed just after LKA(Mid Dec).

Symptoms vary but all dogs are depressed and vomiting, (some vomiting blood) refusing food and water. Some owners have reported that the dog behaves as if there is something stuck in the throat, retching together with drooling. Many do not have a temp and do not have diarear(SP). Some start off by shivering violently before vomiting starts, and some vomit bile in large qauntities. Some have awful diarear some continue to have normal bowel movements despite being very sick. One dog that was blood tested had a very low platelet count (blood clotting agent) .

One vet involved in treatment said it could be something to do with campylobacter.

Most dogs responded to anti-emetics, kaolin,anti-inflammatoories ( steroids), antibiotics, electolytes, and put on a drip, sometimes for as long as 2 weeks. Most dogs who were put on a drip very quickly responded to treatment though complete recovery could take several weeks and in one case a few months.

Some of the owners seemed to have suffered from something simaliar, having very sore throats, headache,lethargy and aching joints and a cough with a feeling that they had something stuck in their throats. Makes me think of Leptospirosis, though vets involved seem to think of a Parvo mutation.

The most important factor in eventual recovery seems to be to put them on a drip asap, together with the other treatments mentioned above, and not to assume that sudden sickness/diarear is "simple". As anti biotics do not work on a virus, I suppose they were given as a "belt and braces", or to inhibit bacterial infection. All very worrying. There have been dozens of cases reported in Jane Lilley's column in Dog Worldareas mentioned: Durham, Skegness, Maidstone, Wheathampstead (Herts) , Upminster, Leeds, Hawick (Scotland). It seems to be countrywide.

When I have puppies I usually encourage prospective owners to visit at least once when they are small (about 4-5 weeks) and more often if they would like - distances allowing, but I think I shall discourage this now, sadly. I am also very worried about attending shows/doggy events, though there have been no reports of it in my area yet. Have any posters any more info?
- By mattie [gb] Date 18.04.02 08:43 UTC
Its just a thought but wth all these dogs coming in on pet passports it makes you wonder about 'New Viruses' doesnt it? in veiw of the tick problem etc... do you think we have opened up a hornets nest with the travel scheme???
- By Brainless [gb] Date 18.04.02 09:10 UTC
I always assumed that was the reason that even coming from a Rabies free country like UK, in Australia the puppy I sent over had to do a months Quarantine.

I am about to use Pets to go to the World show, but I do think we were rash in relaxing Quarantine too far, and also still expecting 6 months from other countries, now that the anti rabies vaccines are much more effective.

Showing or quick holiday trips really isn't good enough reason for this relaxation. I know it is hypocritical of me, but I think all dogs should come into quarantine, and be released after a month when blood titres and tests for parasitic diseases have been done. I also feel that Quarantine time from other countries could be reduced. After all they are given a Rabies Vacccine as soon as theycome in, even if they have recently had one! They could be checked for Heartworm etc etc.

I have never understood the logic of puppies whelped in Quarantine being allowed out at 8 weeks, and theDam that they have had intimate contact with has to stayin for six months!
- By Ingrid [gb] Date 18.04.02 12:15 UTC
Mattie, I wondered the same when the pet's passport scheme was first mentioned. Our animals have been sheltered from many things for years now, bit like explorers taking flu to the natives years ago, one does have to ask whether diseases that dogs in other countries get and recover naturally from would have the same effect on ours and show up as a more serious disease. Ingrid
- By westie lover [gb] Date 19.04.02 07:17 UTC
Yes, when I heard the PP scheme was "going through" my blood ran cold. There must be lots of diseases that have mutations that have developed abroad that our dogs have no immunity to. It did seem to be just days after the LKA that the first dog became ill. I haven't checked my catalogue but there may have been imports there? Its not just rabies and ticks that we have to worry about. Although quarantine must be very unpleasant for dogs and owners I personally think it was a mistake to drop it. I believe many dogs have died following tick infestations after coming home.
- By Leigh [us] Date 19.04.02 07:55 UTC
There also seems to be some doubt now as to the validity of tick 'n' taping them prior to re-entry into the UK. Advice now seems to be to 'frontline' animals prior to actually taking them out the country. They then have some defence against anything they do pick up whilst they are away. This seems to be a logical move to me :rolleyes:

As for all these 'new' viruses, I do not feel that we can lay all the blame, at the door of imported dogs tho, although they do make a good scape goat. I do think that you have to take into account so many other enviromental and geographical considerations.

Climate changes for one. As our weather gets warmer and wetter, we are undoubtably going to see the rise in different types of viruses. I am not saying that the import/export of animals are not to blame in some ways, but I do think that there are many more factors to be considered. :-)
- By westie lover [gb] Date 19.04.02 08:09 UTC
Agreed Leigh, it could well be something that would have occurred anyway. After all Parvo sprung up, seemingly from nowhere - as far as I am aware - and the awful "puppy fade" that affected many breeders when I first started breeding, long before the PP scheme.
- By mattie [gb] Date 19.04.02 08:18 UTC
Correct me if Im wrong,and Im sure you all will but isnt parvo virus airborne,and also can be carried on peoples clothes when I lost a beloved dog with parvo I was told to throw away/destroy the outer clothes I'd been wearing to carry him in to Vets and to bleach everything and destroy/burn anything like beds,blankets even wooden kennel if at all possible,also Ive been told that if a dog has parvo and pulls through he will never need vaccination for that disease again has he will be totally immune.
In our Club newsletter a man had written about his dog being very poorly and he had the Vet Baffled and then it was discovered he had Lungworm,if anyone wants a copy of the article Ill happily give it to them,Lungworm is a foreign thing isnt it?
- By John [gb] Date 19.04.02 09:01 UTC
I may be out of step here but I still think our old quarantine laws were best. I have never felt safe with the pet passport scheme and am quite confident that we will see the nasties arriving on these shores. As far as imported dogs are concerned, it was always possible to do that before pet passports arrived and the quarantine at least kept the unwanted bugs out.

John
- By eoghania [de] Date 19.04.02 09:27 UTC
Hi John,
I can't blame you for thinking that the old quarantine laws were better. What irritated me was that the reasoning was faulty. The official explanation for the long quarantine was for prevention of rabies. Well, rabies have been controlled in other parts of the 1st world quite well for some time. Proof of vaccinations & blood tests should have been accepted long ago in place of long quarantines depending on the originating country & history of the animal.

Now, if the quarantine laws were in place for other reasons, such as parasites or unknown diseases...that's fine. Publicize those justifications instead. But continuing with the Rabies as the sole reason made the policy seem archaic, subjective, and unsubstantiated. Especially when puppies were released long before their mother as mentioned above.

I've been interested in the UK quarantine laws for years because I had dogs and would have liked to have lived there at some time in my life. But no way was I putting my socialized dogs into family exile for six whole months. I have one that's neurotic enough. If we do go from Germany to England, I do know of the work involved prior to our move. It's long term and not as easy as you might think, but I embrace it wholeheartedly in comparison to coping with six month quarantine.

I did hear through the grapevine several times that one of the primary unofficial reasons for the long quarantine was to discourage American military personnel from moving with their pets since we have a bad reputation of allegedly abandoning pets. I can't confirm or deny either point as a fact, just rumours.

anyway, jmho :D
toodles :cool:
- By heelerkay [gb] Date 19.04.02 09:44 UTC
I was told this week by someone who runs a well established kennel
to use vortex for washing down as bleach will not kill parvo but the vortex will. Any comment on this please.
- By mattie [gb] Date 19.04.02 12:43 UTC
what is Vortex kay? where do we get it from ?
thanks
- By heelerkay [gb] Date 19.04.02 12:49 UTC
Mattie it is in a blue bottle like the toilet cleaner shape.
Most big store sell it. I am so pleased with this tip also.
If you have a card for cosco you can buy it cheap in gallon containers.
- By Westiworld [us] Date 19.04.02 14:18 UTC
or you could buy parvo-verucide from www.animal-health.co.uk 1 litre costs 8.50 and it lasts forever as it's diluted 1:100 they post it to you. It's also used at crufts
- By JoFlatcoat (Moderator) [gb] Date 20.04.02 09:01 UTC
Hi Westie Lover!

Did you see my reference to CRUD (not Parvo, but similar) further down this page. It's interesting in the light of previous talk with poor old WW.

Jo and the Casblaidd Flatcoats
- By westie lover [gb] Date 20.04.02 09:49 UTC
Hi Jo, no I didn't read it before , ( I thought it was about poo or something, and gave it a miss!!) but have just read it and it does sound like the one JL has been writing about, doesn't it. Sounds awful, and according to JL, if all the dogs she wrote about were suffering this same illness, does appear to be all over the country. I have been wondering whether to mention it to my (your old) vets- haven't been there lately, luckily, and to e mail them the page you mentioned, or do you think that would be too presumtious!! I think I shall stick to exemption shows for the summer, but saying that, there are always some dogs at ex. shows that also travel to ch. shows. Very frightening, this could be the start of a very worrying time for multiple dog owners. The thought of all my dogs on a drip, and maybe losing them is frightful.
Topic Dog Boards / Health / Mystery virus

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