Ipaper trained all my dogs as pups and the y got the hang of it and by putting the paper near the door eventually after three to four weeks the went outside i really cant understand whats so wrong with it it doesnt mean that they think its right to do their buisness inside house anywhere they please at all as people are only asking for advice some people make them feel useless as dog owners with their replies

In most peoples view paper training or rather putting paper down is just to help contain mess and wet while you can't let pup out.

The more often a pup has accidents or elimintes in the house the longer it is likely to take to housetrain as on some level at kleast the pup will think it acceptable to eliminte indoors.

The best method is continuous vigilance and frequent trips out with the pup and praise for performing.

Some small breeds especailly seem especailly difficuylt to housetrain, and with them paper training may prevent them ever really bothering.

Well i disagree im afraid never had a dog yet that assumed it doesnt have to bother i was just stating that some peole live in high rise flats and although i find it dificult to understand how living in a flat is fair to a dog it is the best way to toilet train dogs that are paper trained ive not known of one yet that hasnt been bothered to go outside gradually moving the paper nearer the door until you teach them to go outside i think isnt a terrible thing i was just stating that some novice owners feel as though they have done a bad thing with the replies of some people that was all

>i was just stating that some peole live in high rise flats<

don't remember you stating that

Some people who live in high-rise flats have recently been advised that perhaps they could use the balcony of same to at least instill from the outset in their puppies the idea of only ever going outside and asking out at a door.  That's the great thing about this forum is there's always something new to learn :)

Regards, Teri

If you read the earlier posts you would see indeed i did state about high rise flats now whom is not reading correctly:)

flynn wasnt paper trained, & he was asking to go out 100% of the time at day 3!!!!!

however it took alot of effort & sleepless nights on my part!

i think the best method is the one that suits your life style best! :)

for me its going in & out a billion times a day (& night)

exactly what i am trying to say only some pups are a little timid at the thought of going out straight away so paper training in my eyes for a few weeks doesnt do any harm its not as though you will have to take a sheet of newspaper with when you go out to put on the grass for the dog they can understand the difference just some people make it sound such a bad thing to do like you say up to the individual thanks for the reply

personally i wouldnt paper train! but you sound as if you are good at it & it suits you! stick by what works for you!!!!

>some pups are a little timid at the thought of going out straight away so paper training in my eyes for a few weeks doesnt do any harm<

On the contrary, pups which are "a little timid" about going out at 8 weeks or so will benefit even more from intensive effort on the owners' part to take them out - a few weeks of lacking socialisation both indoors and outdoors could have very serious repercussions for some dogs, particularly sensitive breeds.  Every one is entitled to their own opinion and sharing experiences is how we all learn but I can't see how that statement is likely to benefit any dog or owner 

The only message i am trying to put out is not everyone lives in a house with a garden most of the population are placed in flats a lot of them high rise therefore paper training is one way to deal with the problem as some people cant be there all day every day same applies there

You see this is where you start to lose me - well, everywhere really.  You're not exactly putting what you're thinking down on the board, so replies are sort of second guessing what you're thinking rather than what you're writing ......

>most of the population are placed in flats a lot of them high rise <

Not sure where you get your stats from either - nor entirely sure why living in a high rise means the occupant can't be there all day  
I'm sure one of us is missing something ........

No matter. regards Teri :)

 

in english if you live 10 floors up by the time you got to some grass the pup would have finished the buisness      and the other was that if people are not at home all day they cannot take the pup out anyway

>in english<

Aaah, it's simply a language barrier - starting to make sense :D   And the balcony on the 10th floor would be negated because ........

what if there is no balcony????????? you seem to have all the answers

Why has this turned sour its up to an individual to decide what they do and how they do it i was just trying to understand why so many of you are against it when some have no choice this board has to make a joke or start to get a bit niggled with people for asking questions and after all thats what this is here for

Just out of interest have you written a dog book or are you a dog trainer? honest question

That would "no" and "no" - honest answers ;)  and just to save time answering your next post separately, you'll find that you initially slipped in the high rise flats situation after your opening gambit - but if you can't be bothered to retrace your own words (and unspoken thoughts) why would I :rolleyes:

are you in the UK?  Most housing here is not high rise flats.  |Most peopel would consider a flat only suitable for toy breeds of dos and rarely suitable for most dogs exactly because there is no garden for toileting and because dogs tend to be voal there is more disturbance to neighbours.

This is a cultural thing as in other countries it is deemed quite the norm to keep dogs in this way, and I can only assume that neighbours are more tolerant than here.

I am acutely aware of acoiding any nuisance my dogs may cause neighbours as I ahve five medium size dogs in a suburban house with average 25 x 60 foot garden.

You can't be in the UK if you say most people live in flats, high-rise or otherwise ...

My 12 week puppy was partly paper trained when I got him at 9 weeks but now goes outside of his own accord and he's a small dog (shih Tzu) I have spend hours in the garden come rain or shine, there's no cutting corners with puppy training is there!

There sure isnt another paper trained pup that goes outside its not a bad thing is it? thanks for replying and it just goes to show that its not a terrible thing to do :)

I don't think there are hard and fast rules. Whatever works for you is a good thing. I have never paper trained pups and have managed to get 3 dogs housetrained each within a week :)

On here, we often get people posting who have HAD problems with paper training ..and then we advise them to stop and go back to basics , don't think posters generally advise folks to not start paper training though, especially if they live in flats :)

i would be very fit ,if i lived in a flat & trained the way i do!!!!!!!!

Same here :D

maybe that could be the way forward!!!!

we could do a video "bums & tums & puppy HT!"
although mel as youve got BIG puppies you could add biceps to that!!!!!!!!

OI! Leave my bigg puppies out of this!! :D

hehehe! i was talking about your malmutes!!! (woa!! even that sounds rude!!!!!)

Hi Melodysk
Can I ask how you did it. I get my Rottie pup next Monday and could do with some advice on how to housetrain, the books I have read don't really tell you much.
She will already be 11 weeks old and paper trained, but would love her house trained in a week.
Any advice would be great.
Thanks
Sarah

Absolutely, Caz! Cutting corners only makes the task last longer. It's far better to teach a pup the correct thing from the outset. Generally speaking, the more effort you put in the quicker you get results.

However, I appreciate that not all people are willing or able to put in the time, so may prefer the longer route.
:)

When my basset was a pup i both paper trained and went outside as much as poss. It worked for us and bbassets are reknown for being hard to toilet train. I think the pup gets the message in the end it is just PERSEVERANCE!:-0 I dont see anything wrong with paper taining as well because if you have to go out for a long time and the pup cannot possibly hold they learn it is ok to do it on the paper. However when you ARE home and take them out frequently and reward them when do something i believe they soon get into the habit of going out. My dog is 11 months and she can hold up to 6 hours but if for some reason i have to go somewhere special and know it will be longer than that i put paper down for her - she then knows its ok to do there, but when im home and she wants to go out ( and there is no paper down) she just goes and scratches by the door :-). Id i lived in a flat i would def paper train!
DEb

Ditto JG, you seem to almost magically put it better than me :P

I was going to cut and paste just the most relevant comment from your post but was spoilt for choice -  perhaps instead of starting a new thread it would have been simpler to add your opinions onto the thread which offended you?

I assume that it was my two posts on the "puppy toilet training" thread which have aggrieved you?  Perhaps if you had re-read those instead of re-writing them in your head you would see that at no point was anyone made to feel "useless" .   More importantly, the two posters to which I replied have not been upset by the advice and I defy anyone reading it to convincingly twist said advice into anything other than being helpful.

However, if the reason for this thread is to educate on how to paper train rather than how to house train a puppy, then I apologise for the misunderstanding ;)

Regards, Teri   

Oh Teri, you have such a way with words, you make me die! ROFLMAO :D :D :D

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See, I'm just chilled out honey,

Teri ;)

You smartipants, Teri! You've half-inched Margot's wiffle-dust!
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But don't tell her :D :D :D  -  I'm going to rename it and copywrite/right/rite it!

So open to suggestions ................... :P

It's copyright - it means you have the right to copy it ...
*takes off Pedant's Hat* ;) :D

Mental block - too much Dizzy Dust  :D :D :D -  but shhhhhhh, she's on the board, she'll find me ;)

I paper trained mine and within a week and a half he was going outside. Do what is right for you.

I thought it meant you didn't have the right to copy it?  Whose got the pedant's hat now, eh?

:D @ Lillith - be warned, if your sitting in the vicinity of any overhead lights, wall or table lamps, keep a safe distance - you don't mess with the Genie ..........

Teri
ps (I keep my waterproofs on with the hood up when I'm on here now )

Ok, I'm really not rubbing lamps just now.  I think it's a sensible precaution.

I've never paper trained any of my dogs & one was clean from day one(the only thing he did get right 1st time tho' ;) )

Only the person who has the copyright has the right to copy it ...! ;) :D

Aaaah, right, write, rite, gotcha :P   Like I'm gonna argue ........ sat here with my garlic string round my neck :D

Ah, copyright, the light dawns ...

(but that might not be a good thing, if Teri is to be believed.)

:D :D :D   You doubt me?    :rolleyes:  3, three, that's THREE, as in 1, 2, 3 lightbulbs exploded all at once   Keep the candles handy and your hood up :D

And wear rubber-soled shoes ... ;) :D :D

Got me waders on!  :P

Hey Teri, send some of that dust this way. I've just washed the car with 2 of the windows open a bit :rolleyes: and let the dogs play with the hose pipe with the door open. Cue mum home from work, dogs run into greet her...

don't tell the Genie wot I did, she might go all polite. I have already removed the lightbulbs ;-)

P.S. what has happened to Zap Man, not heard from him for a while?