Hi I have recently got a female bandog pup (Dad is a presa cross cane corso mum is a neo) She is 9 weeks old, I know that it is illigal here in the uk to get her ears cropped but i would like to know if any one can tell me how i can go about getting this done maybe in France, I know not every one agrees with this but as far as i know it does not harm the dog? I dont wish to cause an argument but i would be happy if some one could help,

Kind Regards

Rob

Just a warning :  Your pup is one of those crosses that comes under the DDA and as such:-

"It is illegal to possess such a dog without a certificate of exemption, which is granted once the dog is neutered, insured, and has a transponder implant. These dogs cannot be "in a public place without being muzzled and ... being securely kept on a lead by a person who is not less than 16 years old."

A public place even includes locked inside a car which is itself in a public place."

Ear cropping is illegal in Europe.

Margot

A Presa x Corso is not illegal, you saying my Corso`s are illegal? :rolleyes:

The pup in question is a Presa x Corsa cross/Neo Mastiff which is, as I understand it a cross which CAN come under DDA

Margot

Yes CAN but not illegal.

Depends on the opinion of the CPS & the court

France has signed but not ratified the"EUROPEAN CONVENTION FOR THE PROTECTION OF PET ANIMALS"STRASBOURG 13.XI.1987
which contains
"Article 10
Surgical operations
1. Surgical operations for the purpose of modifying the appearance of a pet animal or for other non-curative purposes shall be prohibited and, in particular:
a. the docking of tails;
b. the cropping of ears;
c. devocalisation;
d. declawing and defanging.

This is an American link that might be of interest & this oneas well not just as simple as having the op done there is a lot of post operation stuff that has to be done to

Thank you for posting those links, MM - though I wish I hadn't looked at them. :(

Whether the cross is coveed by the DDA does depend on the opinion of the CPS & the court of course

Thank you for your advice Re: Ear Cropping, I certainly did not ask the question to stir up trouble, But i do understnd it is a sensitve issue, Based on your advice and after further thought i have decided not to get my pups ears cropped!! I would like to reply to "Lokis Mum" My pup is not illegal and is in no way assosiated with any dog that is on the DDA Register, As i said in my post she is a bandog (Dad Presa cross Cane corso mum Neopolitan Mastif) None of those breeds are mentioned in the DDA so i dont not understand how you come to the conclusion that my pup is "One of those crosses that comes under the DDA" I do know that if the police think that your Dog is of the type or a cross of a breed on the DDA then they can take action, But my pup is not of the type or any such cross, The breeder i got her from had both the mum and dad for me to see and i took a long time in making my decision to have her.Than you for your warning but please make sure you have the correct information yourself before giving it out,

King regards.

Rob.

Hi Rob

What I wanted to do, was to make you aware that, in certain circumstances, a cross such as yours CAN be considered as illegal under DDA - see my reference to the DEFRA leaflet, which is :-

http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/welfare/domestic/ddogsleaflet.pdf

(Sorry - still can't do links).    This leaflet shows illustrations of those dogs/crosses which can be considered "illegal".

That is the point I was making.

I was making an assumption, based on this particular cross, plus your request about ear cropping, that your dog "might" look pit-bullish.    Apologies on the erroneous assumption.    

But the leaflet itself is worth reading.   Whether or not we like it, it is the law.

Margot

Judging purely from those pictures of the Fila Braziliero, a bloodhound cross would be on shaky ground. :(

Hi Margot,

Thanks for your post, I do understand what your saying and will look at the info you recomended, I dont think my pup will look pitbullish because she does not have that breed in her but iguess you never know? Does anyone else think my pup might look pitbullish??
Thanks again for info Margot,

Regards

ROB

DOES NOT HARM THE DOG!!!!!!!!!!!!Let me cut off your ears then tape them up in an un-natural position and see if it hurts!Its illegal for good reason.
Archer

Dear Archer,
The whole reason i asked the question about ear cropping was to gain a further insite!! I dont know why you felt the need to reply in the agressive mannor that you did, I understand that ear cropping is a sensitve issue and i did not intend to cause offence,

Thanks Rob

Rob considering that this is something that has been ilegal in the UK for well over a 100 years why ask the question on a UK website when few people will have a positive outlook on the matter and few will have any practical knowledge.

It would be similar to asking about how to go about buying a wife, or cock fighting or any other practice that is ilegal here but culturaly acceptable in other parts of the world.

Brainless,
Please explain why you feel the need to try and bait for an argument? I have posted a few times on this site and each time you send a reply with no helpfull information, You seem very rude in the way that you post and to be honest it cause's offence, You asked in one post "Have you ever had a dog before" If i had then why would i be asking other members for there advice with my new puppy? You make new people to this board feel very unwelcome and i suspect you like to try and make people who are asking for advice feel and look silly????

I wont be replying to anymore of your posts beacuse they have no bearing on the questions i have asked.

Rob

Actually, Rob, asking if anyone's ever had a puppy before isn't rude at all! It's a polite way of ascertaining how much a person is likely to already know. :) All puppies are different, and even those of us who've raised many puppies would never be afraid to ask for advice about something we've never come across before. ;)

Brainless is one of the most dog-knowledgeable and sensible people on this board. Ignoring her sound advice is very much cutting off your nose to spite your face. However, that's your prerogative.
:)

I do agree that Brainless's advise is very good and generally friendly but in this instance she did put several question marks after it that does rather suggest she was making a point.  To my mind the fact you have not had a dog before is a very good reason to come on here and ask questions :)  Rob has asked several provocative questions and I can understand her frustration but in fairness to him he does seem to have taken advise given with a refreshing (for these sort of posts ;)) willness to learn :).

Hi,
It wasnt the fact that Brainless just asked if i'd had a dog before it was the question marks afterwards that made me think she was being rude, Also the post she put up in reply to ear cropping seemed a little off hand and i dont understand why she would want to be like that, I just wanted to get more information, I dont doubt that brainless knows alot about dogs bt it's the way she answers posts that i have an issue with. I'm sure brainless will reply and let me know what the intention of her posts are and if i got it wrong i will say sorry:-)

im guilty of over !!!!!!!! & ????????everything!!!!!!!! (opps see!!!)

I was trying to ascertain how much dog knowledge you had so that there wouldn't be any need to state the obvious. Some of the questions you asked regarding husbandry and the needs of a pup suggested you were not familiar with the species.  Especially regarding their keeping in the UK.  Anyone involved with dogs here knows that cropping is not carried out here.

If you do a search on ear cropping on the net you will see what a painfull long drawn out unessasary procedure it is, and you will understand why it is illegall to crop in most of europe.

Hi Rob,
Please before i start my reply i am not looking for an arguement either, however if this is a genuine question i feel that Rob deserves an answer.

I know not every one agrees with this but as far as i know it does not harm the dog?  Ok developementaly this could affect your young pup, taking her on a very long journey to France could give her certain bad experiances which would / could stay with her for the rest of her life ... this then could lead to severe behaviour problems- could you cope with this ? could you put the time into this young dog to bring her out of this ?
The cropping can hurt beyond belief depending on how it is done & again this would more than likely stay with her for the rest of her life- Could you cope with a dog that has such fear of being touched through such a painful cosmetic reason that she then becomes so aggressive that no one can go near her ?
What if the wound site became infected ? could you cover the cost of vet care ? let alone the pain involved yet again. If an infection did happen what if it became out of control .... you could end up loosing her.
Personally if she were mine i would enjoy her as she is, invest your time & money that you would have spent, on training classes instead ( you'll need them ) & socailising her.
Good luck with your new pup & i do hope you'll enjoy as nature intended with her full ears on :-)
Stanley
edited cos i missed a sentance lol :-D

Remember, ear-cropping involves months of follow-up treatment, which no vet over here will help you with.

This has got to be a Troll me thinks !!

Its a question I would think most people who do not know about ear cropping would ask, so I would not assume that they are a troll.

Bandogs (well sometimes) are known for their cropped ears, its an easy mistake to ask this question.

A lot of the trolls are very knowledgeable about dogs they just like to stir up trouble, any way i think ear cropping is very cruel and unnecessary in my opion

I never said it was`nt cruel did I?  I happen to think its extremely cruel.

im not arguing with you MollMoo and was'nt implying you said anything sorry if it came across that way, i was stating my opion, didnt want to upset you, if this is a troll thats just what they want, sorry again

I honestly don't think this is a troll post, just someone asking a question. (I personally don't agree with ear cropping tho'!)

Lindsay
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Hi Lindsay,
Well i did try to be polite, All i wanted was more info on a subject i did not know enough about. Reading other posts alot of people have a downer on mastiff crosses, My pup is beautfull and i'm really happy with her, The breeder i got her from breeds bandogs, He explained that he reason he crosses the dogs is because sevral breeds have qualitys he likes and by putting them together he is trying to creat his idea of the ultimate dog,

Rob

what do you mean when you say someone is a troll ? ive always wondered but didnt want to look stupid but i have to ask thanks

A troll is someone who posts on here with the sole aim of causing trouble , winding everyone up and causing an arguement, posting a message about a highly sensative subject just to make your blood boil

Well I dont think he is a troll, actually thought he was very polite. He asked a question about a subject not many like but that doesnt make him a troll.

At first he came on as a guest and his question made me think he was, later on in the post he joined and signed in as a member so no he probably was'nt a Troll

He's actually a Field Officer for an animal charity so he should no better than agreeing with such a cruel procedure !! 

   

WUM or what???

Margot

How do you know that?

dont worry i once had to ask what lol stood for!!!

Can i ask who your are thinking is a field officer for an animal charity?

Rob

Apparently you Rob

On your Profile this morning it said that you were you have now hidden it on your profile!!

Curious!

Hi i think something strange is going on because... I havent filled my profile in yet as i'm a new member so it def is not me, I have never worked for an animal charity! so hope i cleared that up lol

luvapug it is stanley that is an animal welfare worker, not Rob

Hi
Just to clear to things up
1. Iam not and have never been a field officer for an animal charity
2. I never said i agree with ear cropping i just made an inquirey about the proceedure and have said that now i understand it better i would not get it done.

Thank you

Rob

Its ok Rob, luvapug has made a mistake

No prob i make enough lol, I was kinda wondering what was happening though,

Rob

oopps my big feet again sorry apologies :(

Glad that's settled then - welcome to CD Rob!!

Margot