Hi, I would like to know your views. What is the diffrence between Line Breeding and Interbreeding.

Line breeding is the mating of related individuals, but not closely related. I.e. cousins and similar. Inbreeding (not interbreeding, that is a different thing altoghether) is the mating of close relatives such as brother to sister, mother to son, father to daughter.

Marianne

Interbreeding is cross breeding, or do you mean inbreeding?  If the latter then the difference is just the degree.  Generally mating relatives that would be considered incestuous in human terms would be Inbreeding Mother son, grnaparent Grandchild bother and sister.

Line breeding would be like you marrying a cousin or someone distandly related.

Sorry....... I ment inbreeding

Regards Denese

Inbreeding is mating animals with the degree of closeness that, in humans, is forbidden by the church. Line-breeding is mating related animals but with humanly-permissible degree of separation.
:)

Inbreeding - "mating together animals more closely related to one another than the average relationship within the population"  (Willis)

Julie

I can see why people line breed, to get a look all of there own. But! wouldn't the bad things, as well as the good, have a good chance of coming out in the pups? Or, is this just a gamble?
So, line breeding could be, the grandfather with the grandaughter? or Uncle with the niece?
Or, is that to close. What would be exceptable, even in show dogs.

Inbreeding can certainly fix bad points as well as good ones, which is why it should only be attempted by people who have excellent knowledge of the individuals in the pedigrees behind the dogs - not just as names, but as individuals with all their variations.

No form of breeding is banned, as dogs don't have moral values, and brother/sister or father/daughter matings will happen naturally if not prevented. Dogs don't have any concept of incest!

That is why when inbreeding you need to be as sure as is humanly possible that there are no bad things (especialy health or temperament) that the proposed pair, and importantly all their common ancestors share.  This is a shure way of setiing good and bad points so needs to be employed only by the most knowledgeable breder(byt this I mean knowing the good and bad points of generations behind the proposed pairing).

The animals in question need to be of superior quality in order to set positive points.

Hi Brainless how would you start off as a breeder then as you wouldn't know where to start?

That's where joining breed clubs and making friends with the people who do have the experience is a sensible thing to do!
:)

JG has ecplained it basically.  You didn't respond to my oprevious answer in another post wehre I described how I have learnt gradually and through my mistakes in not choosing the right pups to keep from litters.

What I didn't mention is that right from the start I used the advice of my breeder who had started in the 60's and the owner of my bitches sire who has been breeding since 1953 and has the breed record for number of British Champions bred or owned, bred the breed record holder and the top brood and stud dog in the breed.

I also joined the breed club and started with the previous 10 years breed publications (where there are pedigrees, breeders photos adverts, show results, health scheme results etc).  I then proceeeded to go back another 10 years and now have the club yearbooks complete from the 70' onwards and a lot from the previous decades back to the 30's.

In this way you can go back and see what the influenctial studs were like, and trace where certain traits have come through strongly (for good or ill).

I have also attempted as far as possible t0 do the same for the US dogs and to a lesser extent (fewer photos and English records available) for the Norwegian dogs as we have had Imports from these countries over the years so you need to know how those lines have continued to develop in those countries. 

Hi, I can see what you mean, My grandparents & parents had Sams from the 1940's Kobe's.
I had a look at my dogs pedigree he is from champ. stock back to G.G.G.Grandparents.
My bitch goes back a long way but, not many champs. But! would you really be able to find out the down points? My two have excellent temprements, which is a must in the Sam breed, but I have heard of nasty
ones coming in from Ireland. Just say, that one is shipped to Ireland or abroad, breed then they are shipped back ect; and breed you wouldn't be sure would you?
So some breeders must be breeding bad blood, "my words" My parents were very against inbreeding,
but, now there is line breeding, I'm just very intrested  where the line is drawn.
obviously it would be to improve the breed health, looks ect; But! is it still a gamble till you breed your own and know what you have got. Isn,t it!......

>would you really be able to find out the down points?

This is where the research comes in - if they're well-known dogs then there'll still be people around who saw them in the ring, for example. Their owners may still be around - the information is usually out there, and people tend to have very long memories for bad points!

Hi Denese :)

>but, now there is line breeding<

There has always been line breeding ;)  Much of what people refer to as in-breeding is in fact line breeding.  As already explained by others, it is only those very closely related ie. parents, siblings, offspring bred together that is true "in breeding" and these liaisons are rare because knowledgable breeders only use the very best quality animals, with well researched pedigrees (actually knowing the ins and outs of each dog - not just able to rattle off names) before embarking on such matings.
Re. being a gamble, yes - any mating is a gamble to a degree - but if you have the guidance of an experienced mentor within your breed whos own stock is of a distinct and consistent "mould" then the odds are more stacked in your favour :)   regards, Teri

Hi Brainless i didn't mean not to respond it just completely left my mind, i'm a sucker for learning, so dont think i was being ignorant, i go on the internet once the kids are in bed so i'm already mentally drained but i like the escape it gives me and i also get my identity  back. I do take in what you say and respect your knowledge. I would like to be a breeder but i dont know whether i'm cut out for the job as i'm a bit of a perfectionist, so i get frustrated when there not.

Warm regards Susan

Hi Denese i always thought that i knew alot about dogs but boy was i wrong until i joined champ dogs i've learnt so much since janruary and i can't believe it, i find it stimulating coming on here it gets my brain ticking, it's funny i can't believe i thought breeders were actually bad and when looking for a puppy i would rather go to a homebred puppy where the owner knows nothing about breeding, i even thought line breeding was bad and would look at the papers to make sure the dog weren't related, just typing this makes me laugh now i know why i've had so many problems in the past.  It's good to learn.

Warm regards Susan

Infortunately in some cases those who breed are breeding for the wrong reasons, wither purely commercially or with pet dogs they know nothing of, and both can be damagin to the breed.

With the linebreeding I would always ask wh6y a partucular breeding was done, and why the dogs were line bred to, the answers will reveal if this was conveneince and not knowledge of fixing particular virtues.

Most good breeders these days have small home based kennels, where the dogs are just party of the family in the same way yours are, though equally good breeders who have the money and facilities have more elaborate set ups.

You can have a bad breeder with one bitch and a puppy farmnet with a dozen tor 50 and you can have good breeders breeding their forst litter being mentored by breed experts or an expert that has amde a lifes work of their breed and has quite a number of dogs (most of which will be oldies).

Hi frank, I am afraid I only know about the breed I have, Samoyed. But! there was a lot of questions
I wont'ed an opinion on. As a lot of breeders, avoid the questions and some breeders at the shows are not very nice. Since, I have been showing one of my dogs ect; rather than having the Sam's as just pets, I have lost Mom & Dad, who would have had the answers for me.
As Samoyeds have been in my family since  1939. So, I have to pull on my memory of what I was told
and going to dog show's since a small child. But!! this site is Great..... there are a lot of opinion's to take on board. I am very greatfull for there help and knowledge.

Regards

Denese x

Thats funny that people dont help you since i got my bullmastiff and even in ringcraft the people who have been breeding bullmastiffs for years all offer advice freely as a matter of fact even people with other breeds seem to fall over themselves to help.  I went to a show the other week and took my dog along with me so she can get use to it even though i was told not to, at the show a woman with st bernards started chatting to me, she then introduced me to another woman, they even showed me how to hold my dog, which shows to take her to, the list is endless. I can't  believe how nice people are, when i worked with horses no-one wonted to share information but with dogs they part quite freely with it.

Warm regards Susan

Same here Frank, i went to a great dane show here in cardiff last saturday, just to have a look at them, I no nothing about them at at all. This really nice lady came up to me and started chatting and told all about the breed and how they judged them ect,
I was well impressed how friendly they all were :)
Had anice day out in the end.
Jane

Hi, I have met a couple that have been very helpfull. But some have been quite nasty.
I can not understand why because showing should be fun. You win some you loose some.
So what! but its not always quite like that. As I am finding out. I am quite easy going.
I don't mind if my dogs win or loose, as long as it is fair. I did go to a show last December. The people there were very nice and very helpful.

Regards

Denese

I think it depends how serious the people are about showing, if they are serious they probably see you as a threat and wont speak to you, i wouldn't even bother talking to the ones that are nasty just seek nice people out.  Anyway good luck with your dogs Denese.

Warm Regards Susan.

You'll usually find the old hands who have had the highs and lows over the years are the ones that will help you most, and the ones who have only recently achieved success and are still a bit swelled headed too into themsleves to remember when they just started :D

You get all sorts in every walk of life, the nicer people tend to stick it out the ones for whom it is life and death won't stay the course as no-one can be on top all the time.  Some of the bitter ones are also the ones who are impatient being disapointed that they are not winning with less good dogs, and afraid someone even newer might just do better than them.