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Topic Dog Boards / Visitors Questions / raw diet
- By Guest [gb] Date 09.05.05 15:10 UTC
hi i've noticed on here that alot of people feed raw diet to there dogs chicken wings etc..

i was advised to feed my dog a raw diet, after only a few weeks of feeding it to him he swallowed a chicken wing without chewing it, and the bone was lodged inside him, he was unable to digest his food and lost loads of weight. when we took him to the vets she tried her best to save him but due to the damage caused he had to be put to sleep

i'm just wondering if anyone else had any bad experiances with feeding raw diet and raw bones
- By tohme Date 09.05.05 15:27 UTC
Oh dear that is such a shame. 

Nothing in life is risk free I am afraid, dogs have died from inhaling/swallowing commercial food, sticks, balls, toys and a myriad of other things.

Glad to say that in the very short time I have fed raw (4 years) I have never had a moment's trouble nor a day's illness.

My dogs quite often swallow chicken wings (and other items) whole (dogs don't actually chew, they crush and tear) and they have managed to escape unscathed.

Strange isn't it, because other dogs swallow things like 18" kinves and they are operated on without a problem.
- By Enfielrotts [eu] Date 09.05.05 15:49 UTC
This is why I won't feed it to my dogs, I know there are other things they can get hold of but I limit what they have access to and when - such a shame about your dog and I am sorry for your loss.

I was always told not to feed bones or raw meat and whilst I know its great for some I can not trust it myslef.
- By tohme Date 09.05.05 15:54 UTC
Yes I completely agree with you enfielrotts, one should only do what one is comfortable with and what one thinks is best for their dogs; whilst I know that commercial food is great for some, I cannot trust it myself.
- By archer [gb] Date 09.05.05 18:42 UTC
I've never had a problem but would have thought that if a bone was stuck it would have made the dog ill immediately.The guest says the dog lost loads of weight before the problem was diagnosed...this must have taken a good few days at least ...surely if the dog had been seen by a vet and the bone removed straight away the damage would have been repairable if not prevntable.
Archer
- By theemx [gb] Date 09.05.05 20:24 UTC
Hmmmmm

Yes, like everything else in life, Raw feeding is not risk free.

However there are things that can be done to lessen the risks, including supervising your dog whilst he/she eats, and taking PROMPT action should anything go wrong.

Were one of MY dogs to swallow a wing whole, and it didnt reappear within a few hours, i would take them to a vet, certainly i would do so within 24 hours.

All my dogs have swallowed a whole wing from time to time and have had NO problems in bringing them back up whole, rechewing and eatng them slower the second time round (sorry if that was too graphic for you).

If the OP's dog had time to lose weight then IMO it is less the fault of the diet and more the fault of the OP in not realising the risks and not taking action!

Em
- By Isabel Date 09.05.05 20:35 UTC
So when wings are swollowed whole they always come back up?
- By Vicki [gb] Date 09.05.05 20:39 UTC
Hi all,

I was always taught from being a youngster (I'm 51 now)  to NEVER give a dog raw meat, or bones of any kind.  My Aunt's GSD lost her life to a bone lodged in her stomach, which for me just confirmed that what my Dad had told me was correct.  Having read mostly good things on CD about feeding raw, I almost gave it a try, but was still hesitating.  This post has confirmed that I was right not to try it.  It's just way too scarey for me, and I am so sorry for your loss :(
- By Blue Date 09.05.05 21:46 UTC
Vicky whilst it is awful it is rare for them to die from a RAW bone, most dogs get a hold of cooked bones from the bag etc. Was it a raw bone or a cooked bone?
- By theemx [gb] Date 11.05.05 11:28 UTC
Thats a bit, well 'silly' really though isnt it?

To let THIS post confirm that raw feeding is dangerous, because ONE persons dog swallowed a wing and ignore the fact that there are a large number of posters on here, and many other forums who have had no problems at all....... EVEN when the OP to this thread seems to NOT have taken the common sense action of taking their dog to a vet quickly....

I would infer from this thread, that there is a slight risk, and that supervising your dog and getting veterinary help promptly is a good idea.

But there we go.

Oh yes, Vicki -- i have been hit by a car when crossing a road, two of my friends have as well, and one of them died.

I presume you will never ever cross a road again???

Em
- By Blue Date 11.05.05 12:12 UTC
Theemx,

I thought that was for me there till I read it and it wasn't  ;-)..the posts and funny sometimes.
- By Vicki [gb] Date 11.05.05 12:59 UTC
Theemx

Try being a little less aggressive in your responses - you'll probably get further.....

Personally, I shall choose to ignore you
- By theemx [gb] Date 11.05.05 23:13 UTC
Ignore me if you like -- no skin off my nose at all. I for one will keep feeding my dogs raw food, and keep crossing roads -- ill never get ANYWHERE by listening to horror stories from people who go about things in a half-assed way, or dont have the common sense they were born with!

We make our own choices, n i like answering posts the way i do thankyou very much :D

Em
- By Daisy [gb] Date 09.05.05 21:33 UTC
My older dog did swallow a couple whole when he was 'learning' how to eat them - but he always brought them straight up :) I've been feeding raw for 5 years and haven't had a problem. Mine do seem to crunch their bones pretty well :) Well, that's what dogs were designed to do  :D

Daisy
- By susantwenty? [gb] Date 09.05.05 21:41 UTC
Dont forget either that some people do feed cooked bones which can do great damage with splintering bones.
- By frodo [au] Date 09.05.05 22:11 UTC
Dont forget either that some people do feed cooked bones which can do great damage

Yes indeed :(

I've been feeding raw for 6 years,my dogs diet consists of mainly raw bones,no problems here either :) However as the other posters have eluded,had the OP taken the dog to a vet asap, the dog would more than likely be alive now,the fact that guest waited until the dog had lost weight etc. tells me alot about him/her :)

I think i read about the dog that died from choking on a piece of kibble on here somewhere,this dog is certainly not the first dog i have heard die of complications from dry food,but i'm sure you wont let it put you off :)

However if we are talking about cooked/smoked bones,then i have to agree,they can be deadly :(
- By Melodysk [gb] Date 11.05.05 14:43 UTC
Hudson ate 4 chicken wings whole the other week and we were treated to a second visit from all 4 of them :rolleyes: Unfortunately for Hudson, Delta got to them first the second time around LOLOLOL

Apologies for the graphic vision I have just given you all :D :D
- By theemx [gb] Date 11.05.05 23:14 UTC
Mel -- same as my house then -- here its Abby who is sometimes pushed into eating a little faster than she would like..... and Dilly who is quickest off the mark when they come back for a second go!

Revolting innit!

Em :D
- By Blue Date 09.05.05 21:50 UTC
Sorry to hear this.

Dogs normally throw them back up was he not trying to do this. I have seem 12 week old puppies bring them back up no problem.

Was there another complication? could they not remove the wing?

It is one of the reasons why supervision is essential when feeding. I even watch mine with tripe sticks etc.
- By Edy [gb] Date 11.05.05 12:43 UTC
when I first fed a chicken wing to my pup, I was extremely nervous. He had no problems at all. But I always supervise him with any bones etc.
- By ice_cosmos Date 11.05.05 14:37 UTC
I'm sorry to hear about your dog :( I raw feed and constantly supervise when they are eating - my boy will swallow wings without a second thought. They normally get carcasses though and he even eats these with very little chewing/grinding.
- By Isabel Date 11.05.05 14:44 UTC
Do you whip him off to the vet if he doesn't bring the unchewed ones back up?
- By ice_cosmos Date 11.05.05 17:29 UTC
No - he rarely brings anything back up, I just keep a good eye on him :)
- By Isabel Date 11.05.05 19:16 UTC
So maybe the OP wasn't so neglectful is not taking it to the vet until it showed signs of failing to eat properly.
- By ice_cosmos Date 11.05.05 21:41 UTC
Well we don't know the breed of the OP's dog - mine is a large breed and so can handle swallowing larger items.
- By kayc [gb] Date 11.05.05 19:18 UTC
Tia checks everyones mouth just to make sure none are on the way back.  She only does this, because Emma regurgitated once and Tia was in the right place at the right time, from the mouth of one straight into the jaws of another, it didnt even hit the ground 1st.  :D
- By Rozzer [gb] Date 11.05.05 19:33 UTC
Well - If I wanted to start a debate I would of put up a post like that too! ;)
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