I'm looking to buy an adult male rottweiler between 1 and 2 years old, fully trained in agility, obedience, and protection. Preferably trined in Schutzhund (level 3). If anyone out there can help or point me in the right direction, then please email me at this address: ben_mb@yahoo.co.uk
your help will be appreciated.
Ben

Hi Guest.

Have you contacted the British Schutzhund Association ?

http://www.schutzhund.fsnet.co.uk

Good Luck.

Leigh

I hope you are a VERY experienced handler & a very rich person

I doubt that you will find a dog in the UK suitable or/& affordable

To be at Sch H IIi standard takes a lot of hard word especially if you want to work for you as well

You would be better off looking in Germany after all it's the home of Schutzhund & the rottweiler
Why don't yoy buy a puupy or young dog & train it yourself

There are not many Rorries doing Schutzhund in the UK

He doesn't want a lot does he????? Everyone wants it on a plate nowadays! Where's the fun in that? I certainly wouldn't be proud to have a dog trained by someone else! :rolleyes:

I can not see what the problem is here ! It was a simple request and if Ben wishes to purchase a trained dog then that is HIS choice ! Not everyone has the time, inclination or KNOWLEDGE to train their own dog.

Leigh

Caroline, correct me if I am wrong but do you not train dogs for other people?

What worries me is that he wants a protection trained dog upto competition standard

If it was to compete most people prefer to train their own dogs to get the best results

To get to ScH H III standard takes a lot of training

I've a friend in Germany one of the very few female Schutzhund judges & she very occassionally trains GSD's to ScH H I so that they can be shown & bred from It takes up to six months & costs a m-lot in time & money

So if this poster wants a Sch Iii trained dog you could be looking at a cost of well over £2500.00 just for a pet??? I think not

There are a lot more Rottweilers trained to Schutzhund in Germany hence my advice to seek one abroad

Hi Deejay.

Yes, I agree with what you are saying :-)

I just don't think that we should be questioning the motives of everyone who asks for our help on this board.

Leigh

I’ve no hang-ups on ready trained dogs. It’s a quite common occurrence in gundogs. An 18 month old trained Labrador goes for upwards of £1500. My only reservation is as to whether the Ben could handle such a dog as he is looking for. Many years ago when I did obedience my mentor, who worked and judged obedience, even to judging obedience at Crufts, also did Working Tests up to PD Stakes. One day whilst doing a send away in a competition, without thinking he used the “Man Work” command! He only just managed to stop his dog before it got to the judge, If such a thing can happen to a vastly experienced person I shudder to think what would happen to a mere mortal like me. For all I know the guest may be very experienced but just lacking in the time necessary to carry out the basic work so just wants to skip this and get on with the more technical side of the training.

John

Hi John

That's my concern as well

To get to ScH H Iii the dog would probably be nearer 3 than 2 years old

I've had a Schutzhund trained dog & it's different to the WT dogs trained here they focus in the protection work on the sleeve rather than the person, but this could be retrained of course

Gundogs are similar to sheepdogs when being trained for what they are bred for

Whereas nearly any breed can be trained for WT & Schutzhund within physical restrictions

I sent a Border Collie puppy to my friend in Germany & he gained his ScH H Iii at an early age & represented Germany in competitions. The other competitors laughed at him at first until they saw his work!

My friend is a really good trainer, but the dogs she trains for others are so that the GSD's can be shown(no showing without working qualificatins) & breeding(again no qualification no breeding) in GSD's anyway

Strange this person has not replied!

Agree John. Trained Gundogs change hands for serious money too and no one bats an eyelid.

As you said, Ben may be a very experienced handler (or maybe he isn't) but he wasn't asking for our opinion on his suitability as an owner .... he was just asking for help to locate a dog :-) lol
Leigh

No Leigh. I teach people how to train their own dogs. I only train my own. I will not train dogs for other people. I have been asked and the answer is always no as it is the owners' responsibility and to be quite honest, if they can't be bothered to train their own dog then perhaps they shouldn't bother having one? (With the exception of assistance dogs of course.) In my humble opinion, people who want a ready trained dog just want to show off. It's really nothing to be proud of! If a person hasn't got time to train their dog in Schutzhund disciplines then we can only assume that the person would not have the time to compete either so therefore, what is the point of having such a dog on the first place? Apart from that, they themselves have to know what's what in order to compete, so why?

Hi Caroline.
I stand corrected :-)
As someone who also trains people to train their own dogs and having trained dogs for other people , I honestly do not have a problem with people buying trained dogs. In gundog circles it is common practice. I do not think any less of people because they chose to go down this road. Ideally, I would like to see everyone train their own dogs, but we do not live in an ideal world do we.
Training is an ongoing task throughout a (gun)dogs life so even those who have purchased a 'trained' dog will have to continue the training.

Leigh

I understand what you mean Leigh! :)
The original poster was looking for an adult male rottweiler between 1 and 2 years old, fully trained in agility, obedience, and protection. Preferably trained in Schutzhund (level 3). As this criteria serves no actual working purpose, unlike buying a trained gundog or sheepdog, I just found it puzzling! Why would someone want a dog ready trained in all those disciplines?

Probably to be used as a guard dog.

Seems an awful lot of money to pay for a guard dog !! Leigh

What is throwing me in this whole equation is the requirement for agility. If the dog were to be used for a guard dog (and I know for a fact that *certain* people are willing to pay up to $10,000 for a 'guard' dog in the US), why agility too? (By the way, read into 'certain' that the people in question tend to be involved in illegal activities.)

Like you, I don't have a problem with people training dogs for others -- in any realm. Guess police patrol and narcotic detection dogs would come under the realm of 'service' dogs. But the absolute hardest thing in training either of those types of dogs was in teaching the officer to work with the dog afterwards. While some officers *do* assist in the training of their dogs (in the US, since I'm not sure what the start to finish routine is here in the UK), most officers are assigned dogs that the trainers feel suit them and then work closely with the trainers in the finishing stages of the dog.

I agree, it's not an ideal world, but then I would rather see someone have their dog trained and then learn how to handle it than to see the dog unruly, untrained and recycled or worse.

As an aside, you're doing a wonderful job in finding links and information for so many of these people who post questions. Nice to see!!

Agility in Schutzhund is compulsory but is more like Uk working trails ie Hurdle long jump & A board

The idea is that the dog is totally under control & able to work in all aspects of protection & tracking etc