IM GOING TO BREED MY STAFFORDSHIRE BULL TERRIER ON HER NEXT SEASON SHE WILL BE 18 MONTHS OLD, I HAVE FOUND A STUD DOG A BLUE STAFFORDSHIRE WHO IS PROVEN, I HAVE FOUND HOMES FOR FOUR PUPS I AM GOING TO KEEP ONE MAYBE TO START SHOWING AND THE STUD DOGS OWNER WANTS PICK OF THE LITTER. MY BITCH IS UP TO DATE WITH ALL HER INJECTIONS AND IS OF EXELLENT HEALTH, BUT IM FRIGHTENED IF SOMETHING WILL GO WRONG, IT WILL BE OUR FIRST LITTER OF PUPS. CAN ANYONE OFFER ME SOME ADVICE
MY GIRLS CAN BE SEEN HERE HTTP://MAFHAM.PIC4U.CO.UK SHE IS FROM THE ALLENDALE KING BLOODLINE, OUR BABY SOX HAS NO PAPERS SHE IS LOVERLY THOUGH STILL AS LOVING AS ABBIE WAS WHEN WE GOT HER.

She is too young...sorry.She should be at least 2
Archer

Also is she unregistered or is that a different dog/bitch.

You really ahve to ask yourself, when you consider how amhy staffords good and bad are being bred if you can justify another litter.  Is your bitch really top drawer quality???  Be honest now (I am sure she is a suopeer compoanion) we are talking breed improvemetn her.  Is she likely to produce better than the average quality pups.  You have picked a Blue dog.  Now is he unusual in ahving good eye colour, as poor pigmentation tends to go with this colour, and few of them are top quality?

As Archer says you should wait at least 6 months more, which is no bad thing as will give you a chance to attend more shows.

Wath the classes and make a not of the parentage of the best dogs.  If you find a sirte that seems to produce good pups to different bitches, especially to bitches related to yours then they may make a good choice.

As to her safety that is really in the lap of the Gods, bitches do die during whelping or due to complications afte4r, it is rare but5 does happen, even with proven broods.  A good feind of mine lost her bitch whelping a few years ago and it was devestating, and when it came to breeding from her daughter they were terrified.  They now have her first Great Granchildren.

SHE IS KC REGISTERED

Good that's a start :).  How did you get on with the virtual breeding?

THE VIRTUAL BREEDING WAS OK, I KNOW ITS GOING TO BE HARD WORK AND COSTLY BUT I HAVE THE TIME AND THE MONEY TO RAISE THE PUPS, MY HUSBAND HAS THE TIME AND HE HAS OLDER CHILDREN TO HELP SHOULD THE UNEXPECTED HAPPEN

As well as what Brainless has said I would like to add....I see you have a young child and another puppy.Have you any idea how much work a litter of pups is? How much 'waste' a litter of say 8 little darlings produces?Do you have facilities to keep her quiet while whelping and rearing the pups?Have you the financial security to pay for a caeser if needed and then maybe get only one or no pups at all to recoup your financial outlay?I helped whelp a staffy who produced a pup whos tummy was 'open' from chest to anus and she was alive!!...could you deal with something like this?Do you have the time to spend 8 weeks attending these little pups and even more have you the time an facilities to take back a problem dog at any time during its life(eg at a year old because its turned aggressive or destructive)
Please take a look at rescues....there are THOUSENDS of staffys out there that are unwanted whose breeders I'm sure had good intentions like you. Unless you are breeding for the good of the breed which is the ONLY good reason maybe you should ask yourself why?
I know it seems we all want to stop people breeding but honest we don't....we are all just concerned about dogs in general and that people are aware and responsible for the outcome of their actions
Archer

If the bitch you are breeding has no papers, you will not be able to register her pups with the KC and so you will not be able to show the one you keep.

You will also need to be able to keep the litter totally apart from your other dog for the first few weeks, whatever friendship the two dogs have at present will go completely out the window when there is a new litter of pups and very ferrocious fights can happen not nice when there is a small child about.
I would agree also that if a bitch is not registered she should not be bred from, I am not sure what KC/BVA tests are recommended for Staffies but you will not be able to get these done if not registered.  Whatever lines you think she comes from without the backup of a registration I would not feel at all confident that the pedigree is as read and as it is unlikely you will be able to use the registered dog of a responsible breeder the dog's pedigree would be so uncertainly too that the possibility of obtained a knowledgable match would make it not worth the risk.
She looks a lovely little dog though I'm sure she is a terrific pet why not just leave it at that?

Try working through this
http://www.geocities.com/bluegracepwd/vb1.html

It gives a little idea about what's involved in breeding.
I must say that I would never encouraging you to breed from an unregistered bitch, whatever the breed, and you certainly won't be able to show an unregistered puppy!

I think the bitch she is thinking of breeding is registered but the pup they have isn't....would like to check though...IT IS KC REG isn't it because if not you can't show the pup you keep
Archer

Good luck with your breeding plans, 18 months is fine to breed, blues are lovely! :-)

Why do we bother? Okay - as long as it is the right colour, nothing else matters!

Yep 18 months is fine as long a you don't mind taking puppys from a puppy...after all it means you can squeeze a few more litters out of a bitch doesn't it!!!!!!!!!

I didn't comment on the age as I don't know what the Staffordshire parent club code says, can anyone enlighten us?
I don't think the poster mentioned how many litters were planned so I don't think any comment about that is appropriate.

I was refering to IBS comment...the OP seems to heve her dogs best interst at heart! If you look at the piccys of her bitch she still looks immature and most breeds are better left till after they are 2 as we know before having a litter....after all whats the rush
Archer

I see, but OP did say she would be 18 months so don't your comments still apply?
I'm not sure about most breeds, certainly most larger breeds, thats why I always think the Breed clubs are the best judge being the largest concensus of breeders of that particular breed possible.

My first post said the bitch should be 2 years before breeding....
I meant the comment about more litters as sarcastic....its the only reason to breed a bitch thats too young IMO...so that more litters can be taken at a later date....sorry if I confused you
Archer

But I don't think that is fair to say that is the only reason, some believe it is good to have a litter in the robust health of the young and why should it mean they intend to have a lot of litters?  As I say the breed club can advise when the bitch can be expected to be physically mature, I don't buy this mental maturity thing in a cocker spaniel that would be about 11 :)

Unless a bitch comes into season dead on 6 months old and is 6 months between seasons, then 18 months could be second season - surely this is too early. And its not just mental maturity but physical as well. Surely it is better to wait that extra 6 months? 18 months (as a rule of thumb) is the equivalent of a 12 year old child.

THIS IS HER 3RD SEASON

I've looked into this before - I don't think it gives a guideline

Just had another quick look and can't find any still.

thanks i found him on champdogs hes called blue

This site should lead you to some useful inormation and contacts.
http://www.staffords.co.uk/breedcouncil/

Please also read this article http://www.staffords.co.uk/breedcouncil/pro_reports/131104.htm
about Hereditary cataract in the breed (your bitch and teh stud should have a current clear eye test certificate), they also are listed for the eye condition PHPV.  Ideally they should also be Hip Scored.

Please wait till her next season , dont rush into anything , She is still a pup :) its nice to let them grow up a little before . just think all the time you will have to get things ready you will be confident how things will go :) The book of the bitch is a good book to get , It tells you most things about breeding its higly recommened by other breeders . You can get it on amazon

abbie is kc registered we could not show her due to an accident before we bought her leaving her with a broken tail

ilovemygirls , If you want to show one of your puppies, it would be a good idea to use a dog who has done well in the showring, and who has already produced puppies who have done well.  You'll stand a better chance of breeding a puppy good enough to show and you'll have the owner of the stud dog behind you, helping you to learn about show, classes, training etc.
If you use an unshown dog, you'll pay your money but get no backup and support for showing, and chances are, you'll just produce pet quality puppies.
If you post what lines your bitch carries, maybe some experienced staffy people on here could point you in the right direction.

she is from the ch allendale king bloodline also ch chewbacca the wookie is in her bloodline

What generation are these in and on what side?  Staffy's are not my breed but it will give those who know something to work on.

they on on her 5th generation and from both sides

if you read the ultimate staffordshire bull terrier book, written by Joyce shorrock, and clare Lee ( highly regarded in the breed) it reccomends a stafford bitch shouldnt be bred from until 15 months, but theres no rush, so 2 would be much better   x

Are there recognisable lines (names with the same affix) following down the generations?

If she is 18 months and on her 3rd season she is old enough to breed from if the OP wants to do so, she sounds like a decent person who cares about her dogs and she is obviously studying up on pedigrees and getting things planned ahead which is always a good thing.
I would also advise her that showing is not a necessary requirement for breeding, lots of people are not interested in showing. Dont know if the OP is interested in showing or not, but she certainly shouldnt feel that she has to in order to breed. :-)

No your right , if the op wants to breed then its her right, and she does seem sensible, but wouldnt it be better to wait a little longer ? and to make sure she produces the best pups possible, choose a dog that makes up where she lacks, after all no bitch is perfect !

Quoted from archer : "I know it seems we all want to stop people breeding"

Yes, it does seem like that.
If someone has made their mind up you wont be able to stop them though.

"If someone has made their mind up you wont be able to stop them though. "
How right you are! That's why rescues are sadly full to overflowing!! 
Responsible and experienced breeders' pups are cared for within the breed!

IBS, it was OP's suggestion that she would like to show one of the pups that she produces!!  I would encourage her to go to shows and see the dogs.
Studying pedigrees is a waste of time if you are only looking at a collection of names.  It's only useful if you SEE the dogs and know their faults and virtues.  If the dogs not there, then she'll be mixing with experienced people who do KNOW the dogs.

ilovemygirls, I'm sure that you can sort out those who are genuinely trying to help you and those who are just trying to **********!!

ilovemygirls
can I ask why you are using the blue stud you mention....has he produced good show winners since having looked at his pedigree it seems to be nothing to write home about.Knowing that you want a pup to show would you not be better finding a nice stud who is producing pups that can win in the ring
Archer

i choose him because he looks nice he is not a short stocky type nor is my abbieand his owner seamed keen to offer advice, abbie wont be in season until april and there is nothing saying i must use him, there is a nice red close to were i live he is a show dog and i have also been talking to his owner, but my husband still would prefere to use the blue

Most stud owners are keen for you to use their dog...its money in the bank if you know what I mean.If you didn't want to show a pup then I wouldn't say anything but since you do you really should be looking to a male who has already produced winning offspring since you are not experienced in the way of assessing and improving your bitches faults and choosing a stud that will compliment her that way.
Good luck in whatever you do....
Archer

I agree with Archer on this.

I have looked at the pedigree, and it has very little to recommend it.  I have also looked at the pedigree of your bitch and nor has she, thats not being rude by the way, just honest and my own opinion.  But I have judged Staffies in the past and feel I have a reasonable knowledge of them.

If you are determined to go ahead with having a litter from her, then to improve on what you have and stand any chance in the showing then you must use something with a good showing pedigree. Otherwise you will just be breeding yet another litter of pet quality puppies.

There is no reason that I can see of to use the blue stud dog, other than the fact that you may, and I mean may get a blue in the litter, which of course if money comes into the equation would possibly be the reason!!!

Also if she is not the short stocky type then if you use use a long legged dog on her then you will end up with very leggy terrier type pups instead of bully pups, and will not have the best of chances in the ring with a puppy.

There are one or two dogs on this site that have excellent show pedigrees, could you not reconsider and use one of those.

ive decided to buy a show pup and not breed abbie i need ADvice on showing will go to show forum

Good for you, if you start with a really quality bitch from good bloodlines, that is the sort of bitch that you can eventually breed on from.

National Terrier show is at Stafford at the beginning of April, it might be a good idea to go and have a look around, you will meet lots of breeders that way, and you hopefully find someone who can help you with a show puppy.

thanks to all for the advice

Brilliant!!  Buy yourself the best puppy that you can - you may have to be on a waiting list, but it'll be worth waiting for!!
Go to some shows.  Look for an exhibitor who's dogs are consistantly placed - not necessarily winning every class!  If they are bringing out a number of nice dogs, then there's a good chance that they'd sell you something nice, if you show an interest in the breed over a period of time.
You'll get as much encouragement as you need from this board if you're trying to do things right!

ilovemygirls
hope you'll stick around and post....would love to know how you get on
Archer

I think I've arrived a little late but have to say as a stafford person (we seemed noticable in our absence there) Well done I have looked as had Lady Dazzle at the pedigree and agree nothing to reccomend either.
Champions in 5th generation mean little and a pedigree is usless unless you know the history of the dogs named on it.
But WELL DONE in deciding to buy in a good quality pup if you want to show then find a good consistent breeder not someone who just advertises in local papers; in fact GOOD breeders rarely if ever have to advertise even in a numericaly strong breed like staffords they are the ones you want - go to a few shows or better still go to a few shows and then go to a few breed clubs if you can - where are you based?

See what you like, talk to the people with those dogs - personal reccomendation counts for a lot a person happy with their dog will talk you to death - listen. A person unhappy with their breeder/pup listen. Then weigh up pro's a cons.

Good luck there are lots of people who know more about Staffs on here than I ever will. I am sure we can offer you any advice needed - honestly without a thing to push/sell.

You want as a beginner to go to a breeder who you can see what they breed year in year out their stock will all look alike and can be spotted at 40 paces that is the type of breeder you want to find - good luck.

I have to admit I am relieved. :D I do not wish to offend any staffy folk om here (I admire the breed, although they are not for me), but since attending shows and usually being able to watch the Staffys (why are they always first in the ring at open shows?) I realise that there is a big difference between the majority - not all - of the ones to be seen at open show level and champ show level. I know that it is not only this breed, but other popular breeds as well, but as I say, I am usually in a position to watch the staffys more frequently. It does concern me that perhaps some of the less reputable breeders who are not necessarily breeding good dogs are selling "show quality" puppies which are nothing of the sort.   

Exactly Fillis. Show quality is a loose term I think.

Karen (Owner of Staffs bred for fun :) )