We are desperately searching for a golden labrador bitch about the 5-6 month age but would consider older.  We live in Berkshire but are willing to travel within surroounding counties.  If anyone can help please mail me on simonandkim@schoolhill7.freeserve.co.uk

Many thanks

Kim

Have you looked on the Champdogs Breeders Index?? Oh and there is no such thing as  Golden Lab, they are either Yellow, Black or Chocolate.

liberty

I think that to most of the public they are golden labradors, whether this is technically correct or not.  But how kind of you to point this out in such a patronising way :(

They most certainly should not be known as Golden to most of the public Timhere. The Labrador has been officially yellow since acceptance by the KC in 1903! This was to allow the other retriever which was trying to become accepted by the KC at that time to have the name which it was commonly called, the Golden retriever.

Regards, John

Timhere, the fact that 'most of the public' is wrong is a serious matter! To many breeders it matters that people show they have a reasonable knowledge of the breed. A basic mistake like this can sometimes mean they are not taken seriously, and may mean the difference between getting a dog or not. Maybe it's wrong, but it's a fact nonetheless, so worthwhile pointing out.

Isn't the job of people who know, to help people who don't, learn?

The lab folk here on the forum get a bit irked at the term 'Golden labrador' and I could imagine a breeder who was approached and asked the same thing could get a bit miffed as well :)

To me a Golden Labrador is a cross between a Golden(Retriever) & a Labrador(Retriever) like the GDA breed for guide dogs

LOL, with all due respect I cant imagine many breeders turning down someone who asked for a golden labrador!  I figure if that's their worst offence then they would make a pretty good dog owner.

And, away from the dog clique, you will find that they are known as golden labradors to most of the dog owning public. :)

Hi Timhere, I, along with many other Labrador breeders would and do turn away someone asking for a golden labrador pup. In my opinion they dont know enough about the breed to own one.              

<<< I figure if that's their worst offence then they would make a pretty good dog owner.>>>  If they have not made the effort to find out about the breed, including what colour it is, then they have not the knowledge to care correctly for it.

Kay

Here Here Kay.

Good grief :)  Having bred orange roan cocker pups I had many, many puppy enquiries from people who did not know the colour existed let alone name it, several of them having owned cockers before!  I was always very strict about where my puppies were placed, very successfully, as only one ever required rehoming, but the criteria I use would never involve whether they could name the colour correctly in fact I rather enjoyed telling them about it or gently correcting them if they had named it wrongly.  To my mind there is a great deal to offering a dog a good and correct home but I don't see the value of being pendantic about terminology with people that just want to love the creature :)

I think most of the remarks were addressed at the poster who decided that another poster was being "patronising" for correcting the original poster. There was nothing wrong with Liberty's post, it was friendly and put the poster right.

regards, John

You evil, evil woman. How COULD you sell a well reared puppy to some one who knows so little about the breed. :)

You believe in living dangerously Timhere!

No need to be rude, Timhere.
:)

Timhere, are you deliberately trying to goad us, if so, dont waste our time, yours is obviously free to waste! A positive and helpful answer was given to the initial poster. And yes I do understand that there are a lot of 'non doggy' people out there who dont know the correct terminology. BUT if a person wishes to purchase a puppy (it does not matter which breed) at the very least they should know what colour it is.

I caught your last post before you edited and deleted it. :)  

Kay

So did I Kay. It does not endear him does it! :(

No I am not, and wondered how long it would be before I was termed a Wind up Merchant. 

Just strongly feel that some peoples opinions and atitudes are out of order.  At the end of the day they are breeding dogs and SELLING them, and they come over all high and mighty because someone calls a dog a golden lab instead of a yellow l

So education and possibly making it easier for someone to buy a puppy is being 'high and mighty' is it? How strange! Most people would consider it being helpful!

Your entitled to your opinion but to call someone  patronising was out of order. How else was the poster to be informed of the correct terminology?

I have to agree with Timhere - like it or not, the general public calls yellow labs 'golden'.  They have done so at least since I was a young child in the early 70's and I then had many neighbours with 'golden' labs.

Most people aren't desperate enough to sell a carefully-reared puppy to someone who knows very little about the breed - whichever breed!

There are many lab resuces on http://www.dogpages.org.uk who will either have or be able to put you in the direction of rescues who have labs of that age.  They also won't care if you call them yellow or golden ;) because they will only be concerned if you are a good home for the dog.

As an occasional labrador breeder this conversation has cropped up from time to time, despite the fact that thus far I have only bred black pups.

Whilst I would admit that the phrase 'Golden Labrador' is a mild irritant to me, I suppose I can see how 'Joe Public' would see this as being pedantic. Would it put me off selling them a puppy? On its own probably not. When I talk to a potential puppy buyer I am trying to make an assessment of how suitable they are to own a labrador pup and how suitable my pups are for them. Breed knowledge is one of the points I am looking for, but most importantly I've got to like and trust them. I've met some very knowledgeable people that I think are a*******s.

Rather than 'send them away with a flea in their ear' I'd just try and give them a bit more knowledge. However, I didn't find the original answer to the Guest patronising, just factual. I doubt that the guest would have been offended by the answer, but probably surprised by the explosion of debate created by a simple request!

The reason that I think that its worth pointing out to the novice the correct term, is that I would advise against buying a pup from a breeder who advertises their pups as 'golden'. Whilst I could forgive a novice puppy buyer, I would certainly expect a good breeder to be using the correct terminology.

heres one to put the cat among the pigeons and not wanting to upset anyone  especially  my friends on here  but I was quite surprised  to see an old copy of the observer book of dogs reffering to labs as golden it had them as two seperate breeds black labrador and golden labrador.(50s book ) maybe thats where it comes from.
I of course am dye hard lab person and refer to yellow, choc or black but some older breeders refer to chocs as liver.
By the way I beleive the old school of lab breeders would Cull a liver pup as being incorrect  a throw back and not acceptable but now they are accepted.

Ooooh Mattie, now thats what I call stirring it ;) . I must admit though, going to shows in the early sixties with my dad, he had border Terriers, I did occassionally hear a reference to 'golden' labs, but also remember this being picked up by lab people and very proudly stated that their labs were 'yellow'.  And now you mention it I cannot remember seeing many, if any chocolates in the ring.

But all said and done, the only official colours are yellow/black/chocolate, surely it is our duty to inform and educate. The future of all breeds lie with the next generation of owners and breeders, not just labs. There is a standard to maintain and improve upon. As I have already stated, if future owners do not know, or are not interested in  what colour their lab, is how are we to impress upon them the care and attention, excercise, feeding, health checks, etc, they all require. I dont think that is really too much to ask.

Somebody please kick the soapbox from under me.

Sorry Mattie, I tend to get on my high horse a little ;) .

Kay

totally agree  ooops sorry about colours LOL

so you are a child of the sixties then?

Afraid so

great we have something in common
I am old codger too lol

The 'Golden' Girls, sorry no pun intended. lol ;)

OLD? You lot are positively young! Wait till you get to my age. I'm definately past it as a toyboy!

John :p

How about 'sugardaddy' John ;)

I'm also very poor! :d

Ah well, back to the drawing board. lol.  Oh dear I think this thread has gone off the rails a little. While we are still off the rails, John and Mattie, have you read of Baileys little exploits in idle chat. Now there you will find a well adjusted, outgoing and extrovert yellow lab. Read the thread ' Bailey is for sale'