Hi, here are the rest of the results, they are scored between 0-5
Molly IgE beef 1.       IgG lamb 1, wheat 3, soybean 3, rice 2, corn maize1,cows milk1.

Environmental IgE all grasses (seven of them) 1 Ash trees white and green 1, dustmites (dermatophagoides farinae) 1.

Barney food IgE beef 4, cows milk 4.   IgG  turkey1, wheat 3, soybean 3 rice 2, corn maize 1, whole egg 1.
Environmental  Ash trees green and white 2.

Vet has agreed to a raw diet of chicken mince and chicken wings with fruit and veg, for one month.
Also to reducing Barney off atopica, over a months peroid, onto antihistamines (the correct dosage, which is double what he has had in the past, the only reason I found this out was on another site, that was why they were not working for Molly, but are now since increasing the dose) I have ordered a book that tells you the correct amounts for the weight of your dog only cost £3.95.

Tohme, or anyone else, can you please help me out with a diet, for later on, with Barney not being able to have bones and eggs,  not sure what supplements they should both be getting, or how to vary the diet in the future so that they are getting the right nutrients.
Once again thanks to a wonderful list, and all the people who have helped me out, now I can see the light at the end of the tunnel.  Will keep you all posted to how we progress in the next month.
Thanks to Freya, crazy spaniels, who told me about the list.
regards eleanor

Your dogs can eat all parts of the chicken, wings, carcases, drumsticks, thighs etc;  not sure why he cannot have bones?  There should be no problems with them.

Even thought Barney is highly allergic to beef you may well find that he may not be allergic to raw beef and my beef allergenic dog was fine on tripe; however I would stay on chicken for a few weeks at first to see how they settle.

You can obviously also feed duck, pheasant, guinea fowl, partridge, grouse etc etc (these can often be found in the bargain basement or you can get in touch with some game deatlers).
Rabbit and pork are also excellent sources of protein for your dogs as is venison etc.

You can feed chicken/pork liver and pork kidneys etc.

Again you may find after a few months that your dogs will support raw lamb hearts etc.

And of course raw or tinned fish (be aware that those in tomato sauce often contain modified maize starch)

Suggested menu (rough guide only)

Feed dogs two meals per day.

Amounts = 2 - 3% of the dog's bodyweight per day eg if your dog is 30kg feed between 600 and 900 g of food per day; adjust according to temperament, work, time of year etc.

one meal always of RMBs eg chicken wings, carcases etc
one meal muscle meat with veg

Monday: breakfast chicken wings, dinner chicken mince with veg minced in, one clove of fresh garlic, Keepers Mix (from Dorwest Herbs), FBO 100mg Vitamin E 200 - 400 iu depending on size of dog; gelatin free capsules or pierce capsules, Vitamin E to be natural not synthetic.  If wanted 1000mg of Vitamin C Ester C with bio-flavenoids.

Tuesday: breakfast chicken wings; dinner pork mince with veggies and supplements

Wednesday: breakfast chicken carcases: dinner raw or tinned fish with some veggies.

Thursday breakfast chicken carcases: dinner raw rabbit and veg

Friday breakfast chicken wings; dinner pork liver either alone or mixed in with pork mince) and veggies

Saturday: breakfast chicken wings; dinner chicken mince with veggies.

I would feed supplements including fresh garlic cloves every day.  If you don't want to feed fresh garlic then garlic and fenugreek tablets from Dorwest.

Keepers Mix from Dorwest Herbs every day in winter, substitute their Easygreen mixture in the summer.

Obviously you should be able to try pigs trotters, I suspect if bones were upsetting your dog it will be because of the allergy to the beef/lamb and the marrow than the bones themselves.

You can feed any vegetable apart from onions all fruits apart from grapes.

I would recommend that you buy Natural diet for dogs and cats by Kmythy Schulze as it is the easiest to understand with feeding charts and sources of vitamins and minerals etc; I do not however agree with her idea of starving a dog for a day.

HTH

The diet I have outlined contains all the vits, mins, amino acids etc that your dog needs.  Don't over due the veggies, I would avoid potatoes, for example one lettuce is sufficient for one meal for two dogs.

Hi Tohme , gosh thanks so much for taking the time to give me a compelete menu its greatly appreciated.
I will get hold of the book you mentioned, and the herbs. Also didn't think about the tomato sauce, in the sardines;;; I thought you couldn't feed pork raw ?  thought pork had to be cooked, don't know where I heard it though. I found a chicken supplier, looked in the britbarf, files they had a supplier close to me, I live in Scotland, I got the chicken mince and wings, great price compared to Asda. I have a search for other suppliers.
I see you mentioned your dog showing a allergic reaction to beef, can they over come their food allergies ?
Did your dog have a high score ?
thanks again eleanor

You will find, when you have a dog that is highly reactive to foods, and you start reading labels, how much hidden ingredients are in some foods; a lot of things contain modified maize starch or gluten in one form or another or rice flour!

It is perfectly safe to feed raw pork in the UK because of the strict procedures that have to be followed.

The dog that was highly allergic to beef (Ig3) did manage raw beef ok and regularly ate tripe with no problems; you may wish to wait a month or so before proteins other than chicken to your dogs to begin with.

Foods that provoke a reaction in dogs when cooked do not necessarily do so when raw.

Prior to coming to me the dog I rehomed and chronic ear problems; he was allergy tested and after going on raw and removing cereals from his diet he had not ear problems for the 18 months I had him.

HTH

That's great news tohme, I can get hold of pork and bones from a local farmer, good to know that they might have a chance, of eating some of the things they are allergic to later on.  I will stick with the chicken , for a month, see how they go, is it ok if I check back in with you in a months time ?
Ordered the book today from crosskeys, should be here soon.
regard eleanor

Bearing in mind that your dogs have had some digestive problems you might want to consider two further options.

1 As your dog cannot tolerate milk obtain a broad spectrum non dairy probiotic from your health food shop; one which contains at least 3 differing types of bacteria expressed in billions.  This will assist in maintaining a healthy gut flora during the change and help in digestion.

2 Again because the dog has had some problems in digestion another thing that you can try (in combination with the probiotic) is a broad digestive enzyme complex again available from your health food shop.

Neither of these products can have any harmful effects or react badly with anything else as they are not drugs.

HTH