I told my friend who is wanting to adopt a GR, about one i had seen in local paper, it is a bitch who is 61/2 months old, needs new home due to ill health.  When my friend phoned up to ask questions the lady told her that the sire had been hip scored but mother hadnt. She asked my advise about this all i could say that ive had my two done and they have good results, but to be fair i bought my bitch with just the sire been hip scored, so i couldnt realy argue with her over this.  She cant afford to buy a pup from breeder and this one is a pedigree etc

ALL puppies are bred by breeders! The only question is, are they good breeders or bad breeders? You say your friend cannot afford to buy a puppy from a breeder, (I take this to mean a good breeder?) so I have to say, can she afford the possible vets bills incured by irrisponsible breeding? She may be lucky and there may not be any but on the other hand. . . . . . . . .

Regards, John

If she did get this pup, how would she stand if worse happened and had bad hips, could she go back to breeder for not having dam hip scored, or would it be down to her.

I doubt she could claim. The breeder would argue, and correctly that just because the bitch was not scored did not mean that it had bad hips and that any puppy CAN have bad hips no matter what the sire and dam's score is. It's just that knowing the sire and dam have good scores loads the dice in your favour. I personally would not touch anything which did not come from parents with good scores.

Regards, John

Trouble is John it is not just hips, if the 'breeder' has not bothered to score the hips how much other care have they taken. Did you read in Dog World the other week that a pup purchaser returned to the breeder when it was 12weeks old and said the pups vet said it had HD, the breeder said return the pup and I will refund the money, and I would like to see the plates please. The pups family said they did not want to return the pup. Nothing happened for a few weeks and then the breeder got a letter from the puppy purchasers solicitors demanding £17000 for their worry and distress over the pup. The breeder took the letter to their own solicitor who advised paying up. Yes it was in the UK

So who knows this person may well be able to return the dog and get the money back, or they could keep it and put in a claim for their distress.

I would not touch anything that has not had good hip scores in the background. I would question why someone would breed from a dog with no scores, as this defeates the whole object of trying to reduce the incidents of Genetic problems, it is just irresponsible.  My head would have to rule on this one and say no to the puppy.

Jackie Was the dam and sire to the pup hip scored, do you mean that even if both parents have good scores and if one of their pups is diagnoised with having HD they could still sue you.  If there was a contract between these people wouldnt that of stood for anything.

Another question could these pups have been registered through KC if mother hadnt had hips scored and just sire had

Yes, pups can be registered with KC with no tests, bad test results or good test results.  The only requirement is that both parents are KC registered, and of the same breed of course!

M.

The results are shown on the registration though if the dog has been scored, if there is not details on the registration then the dog has not been scored.

Don't know that the puppy even had a problem with its hips, no plates were produced so as far as I know it was just one vet that decided there was a problem.

Yes even if the dam and sire are low scores they can produce a high scoring puppy, it is important to check the scores for as many generations back as they can manage. And, of course, if it does go to court then the amount of evidence the breeder has that they did their best to produce healthy pups the better it would be for them. In the case I quoted it would be required that the breeder produced evidence that they had done all that was possible and perhaps that the vet was wrong. Unless the pup had very bad hips 12 weeks is too early to diagnose and if the hips were so bad then it may have been better if the pup was PTS.

Do not know the details as I read it in the Dog World and am not aware of the detail

Have not seen anything about this one. Being a cheapskate I dont get that sort of dog press! (They forget working dogs exist!!) But I remember a person sued a breeder some years ago and won, and that was a puppy from hipscored parents. Breeding dogs is frought!

Regards, John

There was a GSD breeder who sold a puppy for WT from un scored parents the puppy had a score of 104 & the buyers won the case-said breeder still does not score tho' but he is very wealthy

Someone I know bred a newfie from scored under average parents that had HD the claim went to the small claims court & the buyer lost as the breeder provided all the buyer all the info on the parents & G parents scores etc before purchase plus info on exercise, inheritance of HD etc etc