A couple of Dill's pups are liver/white, black/white.
I've been told they will probably turn 'roan'. At what age can you tell??

BB

Hi what breed are they?For some reason i suspect they are cockers,lol,dont know why,lol,correct me if im wrong,lol, but the book of the bitch says no colour change for both american and english????But im no authority so someone will hopefully be along to help you.

Hi, Roans extremely unusual in Am Cockers in the UK (well, none at all actually) and none too common in the USA.  However, roan English cockers are born looking black and white (blue roan) orange & white (orange roans) liver & white (liver roan),  if my memory serves me correctly, around 2 weeks old some "ticking" starts to appear and the roaning develops from then.
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Gwen

Jestony,   

What does lol mean?

BB

Hi lol means "laughs out loud" well in my book anyway but some say "lots of laughs"same thing at the end of the day though:0)

Jestony,     
So why were you lol'ing about Dill being a Cocker??

BB

I've been told that you can tell by the foot pads in a cocker. The pads will be either solid black or black and pink, and this will tell you whether or not they will be roan. Problem is, I cant remember which way round it is! (I think it's solid for a roan?)

Yes that's right Havoc :-) Roan Cockers have totally black (or brown in liver roans) footpads often within a few days of being born, although lighter roans can take longer for the feet to fill in. Black & white, liver & whites etc always retain some pink patches on their feet which are retained into adulthood.

Jane

Oh come on peeeerrlease!! Lighten up,who's laughing at your dog being a cocker??I was laughing at myself actually for assuming (and possibly being wrong)about what breed your dog is,you really need to lighten up!!

Sorry Jestony...............Now who needs to lighten up?????
I was lol'ing, but just wanted to see if you re-acted.
(Bad sense of humour on my part according to Mrs BB).

Yes Dill's a working Cocker..........
Colour not important to me, but needed to know what they're likely to turn out for 'Litter application form'.
I was always told "there was no such thing as a bad colour in a working dog".
Also told "life was too short to 'hunt' with an ugly dog".

BB

Hi thats ok bramble basher lol(ooops am i allowed to laugh)only joking:0,as i said before im not sure about the coat changes but according to the book of the bitch it says they dont change but people on here that have first hand experince say they do change in a couple of weeks so i would go with that.I know what you mean not knowing about what colour to put on the registration form,i have this trouble with german shepherds as they all look black and tan but some can end up quite sable.I usually wait until pups are about 2/3 weeks old before registering them just to make sure they are all ok and thriving and past the danger stage.Good luck with your babes and may you have many timewasting days where you will sit and just watch them,lol,they are so lovely.

Am now going to consul my book fo the bitch, as I have never noticed this bit before!
bye
Gwen

Me either Gwen but if it does say this, then it's one of the few occasions when the Book of the Bitch gets it wrong!

Jane

Yep i agree this book is excellent and im sorry to have been the one to point out this piece of inaccurate information,but i just thought i'd have a look and thats what it said,page 203 :0)Actually i've just looked again and it says that there is no coat colour change in german shepherds too,which is also incorrect but as the book is invaluable in most other areas,they can be forgiven,lol :0)

yes, found the bit before I went out.  Certainly off base on the cocker and am. cockers.  For instance Parti Am. Cockers develop markings as they grow, sometimes born almost white apart from ear and eye patch colours, and even thses can change a little.  Even solids change, buffs being the hardest, as they go from almost siolve to yellow gold, and from red to much paler (or vice versa)  Also develop different shades in the furnishings.  As for white markings on solids (not desirable but a small amaount is permissable on throat /chest) this chan change drastically, and right up to about 18 months old!  However, most important of the changes is with the Black & Tans.  It can be very ahrd to identify a B& T at birth.  Unlike Cavaliers, for instance who are born wiht the clearly marked Tan patches jsut where they will develop, you can have to look very closesly for the Tan patches on some B& T yankees.  Usually you will see the under tail patch, and then the face/ears will come in in the next few days/weeks.  Unfortunately, doesnt come in all the way in all cases!  Makes no menton of the colour development on the nose and pads, either, which is mentioned on some other breeds.

Oh well, it is still an excelletn book, and I suppose strict breed accuracy for so many breeds would be a bit much to expect, the important thing is that the main bulk of the book hold reliable and valuable info.
bye
Gwen

Congrats on the Rug Rats BB, they look wonderful!

Best wishes, John

Bob, I've sent you an email!