I put an ad in the E & M last week to try to find homes for my puppies and included a photo of their uncle.

Imagine my surprise when I bought a copy of the magazine only to find another photo of him in there that appears on my web site (and Champdogs) This particular photo was taken by a professional photographer and is permitted to go on the web and breed publications only so I did not feel I could use it in their magazine.

I have discovered today that the photo I put in has also appeared previously - all they can tell me is that they got it from a site called www.petgroomer.com but I could not find it there - they were supposed to ring me back Friday and today but I am still waiting.

I would strongly recommend that those of you with photos on web sites take a look at the E & M to see if any of your pictures have been "stolen" and included within it (if they have please let me know)

Christine

As a professional photographer, I can assure you it is illegal to reproduce a photograph. All photos are copyright of someone!
Mind you, I think that advertising in E&M is a bit dodgy isn't it? I always think of it as the place puppy farmers would advertise, maybe I'm wrong?

Actually, Samantha, Christine did state that this particular photo was permitted to be reproduced in very specific sites, so I would assume that she had the permission of the photographer which would then comply with the photographer's copyright restrictions. Photographers can, and most of the professional ones do, allow for their work to be shown in various venues with appropriate credit.

In having read Christine's previous posts on various boards, I don't believe that she is being 'dodgy' in her advertising through any medium. The medium used to advertise puppies is not as important as the screening process used. A good many 'puppy farmers' utilize the various trade publications geared solely toward dogs also.

I'm sure that people appreciate the 'heads-up' that she gave. None of us wants to see pictures of our dogs used to advertise other people's dogs (without first having given permission to do so).

I hope you are have a good day.

Just my tuppence worth.

Sierra, thats foupence you've given away, and I'm only part way down the board. Always heard that US citizens were generous. :-)

Hi Sierra, thanks for the vote of confidence.

The photo I put in, I took, so there is no problem with my using it - I was somewhat *"peeved" to discover that it had already been used previously by the magazine though.

The photo by the professional photographer I have permission to use in certain places - E & M is defininately not one of them.

I have three 10 week old pups and very few enquiries so I will try various places to try and find homes for them - I had three booked before they were even conceived - all of whom fell though :-((

Christine
*please note that "peeved" is somewhat of an understatement.

Christine, you're very welcome. I know how discouraging it is to have a planned breeding with buyers lined up and have the best laid plans go awry (either they want females and you have all males or males and you have females or they want a certain color, etc.). I've enjoyed your posts on this and other boards. It doesn't really matter in the long run *where* the puppies are advertised, as along as the homes are the very best we can find. I've seen way too many 'professional breeding kennels' that advertise in the most expensive and best dog publications and don't check out the homes/people, simply producing the dogs and taking the money. I have a strange idea of what constitutes 'puppy farming' though and some of the 'best' kennels are not immune to being what I consider puppy farmers.

Good luck with your babies, if I come across any prospective owners, I'll send them your way!

**tucking her tuppence back into her pocket with a wink to Jackie**

**chuckling** yep, we are generous souls, Jackie! Actually Jon gives me a very generous allowance and I like to share. I'm sure that won't change when I receive my British citizenship, at least I hope not! **frowning and putting that on the list of things to talk to Jon about**

Have a good one!

More chips than harry Ramsden!!!!!!
I was not in anyway implying that Christine was a puppy farmer.....I know her affix & have seen her dobes & know full well that she is not. Please do not mis interpret what I said. I still maintain that E&M is a dodgy paper to advertise pups in, thats my opinion & from my experience I have seen very irresponsibley bred litters in there.
I am fully aware of copyright law, having successfully sued publications that have illegaly used my photos. And no, as it happens, I am not having a good day, the last 24 hours have been just about the worst in my whole life, but I won't let it cloud my judgement.

I'm sorry that you are having a bad day, however, I still stand by my opinion that the publication is not as important as the checking out of potential purchasers. I, like some others, took your brusque reply to be a slight against Christine. Since you clarify that it is not what you meant, my apologies.

And, as a matter of course, I wished to clarify your statement about copyrights because originally it appeared that Christine was violating copyright laws by using a professionally composed photo. Not all are as aware of the copyright laws as you appear to be and clarification is never a bad thing. **smiling** Hope your day improves.

I don't think it matters where you advertise your puppies. The same people who look in Exchange and Mart are the same people who will ask the KC for their puppy list which have not only good breeders on it but also some who are not so reputable and who churn out puppies of all breeds. It is up to the individual breeder to vet very closely every person who wants to buy a puppy from them.

I beleive that the Kennel Club only allows breeders of under a certain number of litters on their puppy sales register. I too feel that if reputable people do not advertise in the mainstream publications, then it makes it all the easier for the unscrupulous/uncaring to ply their wares (thats what they are to people like that).

I have on a couple of occasions advertised in our local Free Ads paper, and found some very good homes. The 'VETTING' process is all important, as well as wording your ad so that it discourages impulse enquiries. After the first time (when I got the how much are your puppies kind of calls, who thought more than £100, a lot for just a dog!). In subsequent advertising I put the price, stressed the health screening and rearing environment, and that Pups available only to those I thought suitable.

I then got very sensible enquiries, also not very many, but in two litters I found 3 excellent homes, none of the people had a clear idea of how to go about looking for a puppy, so bought the local paper!

Having a litter for sale earlier this year, I advertised in Eand M. They asked if I wanted a photo of my dog/pups in the mag, as they sell better with a photo. At that time I didn't have a suitable one, or the time to send it in to get my pups in the next weeks edition. So, they said they have a 'library' of photos of all breeds, and could pop one of those on 'for free'.(that is, £25 for the week, but no extra for using their photo) I said that this would not be MY line, and would make people think that the photo was of my dog-which could be better or worse than mine, but not mine at the end of the day. I was told not to worry, it didn't matter and it lets people know what the breed of dog looks like!! And I would sell to someone who didn't even know what the breed looked like.............I think not!! (Putting it mildly!)
So, once again the unsuspecting public are conned, with perhaps a poor looking and bred bitch being portrayed as a show champion!